KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

There are far, far bigger issues with this team than KPJ, but KPJ seems to dominate the conversation, hence the thread title.

 

AI was on his elite level since really HS which carried over to NBA as most who played the game knew it would carry over to NBA

That is how you actually base the best players on who you would draft over the other to start your franchise

Nobody know how Kareem n Wilt n a drove of others I could name how their careers would end up But because they were so dominant at the NCAA level you just knew it would carry over

No different than me saying I knew Curry three point shot would carry over to NBA at elite level

I guess Nash reached A magical level over alot of players I would draft over him because he won couple league mvps in his 9/10th seasons

Harden was the same player from OKC to Rockets under McHale / Mike D, only change was usage rate and different systems of those coaches which the seven seconds or less offense was made for lead guard to shine which Nash / Harden / Lin did

but they are not individually on Harden level and I would draft the beard over them to start my franchise, it is what it be

Nobody would say Harden is top 5 ever, maybe they might say offensively but never top 5 or lb for lb the greatest

Iverson was the sugar ray Robinson of his sport

We just view levels differently, which is all good

 

Are there people who think iverson was a top 5 player ever? He has no legit case for top 50, there's people who think he's top 5? Jordan, Magic, Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron for example is 6, so there are people who think AI is better then TWO of those players? The pound for pound thing is completely bizarre to talk about in the context of the nba. If giannis was a foot shorter, he wouldn't be an nba player. Does that mean that someone like Nix is better? I don't get that

 

Seems like lots of people are getting their share of the blame in each of their threads. You're in the KPJ thread, so obviously people in here are going to be talking about KPJ. Don't agree that KPJ dominates the conversation, if anything Silas dominates the conversation...and rightfully so. I think he's the biggest problem. But there are lots of problems.

 

Enough with this harden pity. He is my 2nd or 3rd favorite rocket of all time. It's not harden hate to say it's arguable they freaking Allen iverson was better than his in one aspect of the game.
Iverson has won 4 scoring titles to hardens 3 and has a higher career pts per game. To say iverson wasn't even close is being utterly biased. Again you can make the case that maybe harden is better but to say they are not even close? There is just no bases to that.
Do yourself a favor and don't even compare iverson vs harden in the playoffs, it will hurt your feelings.

 

In the regular season Iverson shot the ball 5 more times per game and actually averaged more FTs per game than Harden. Iverson with worse shooting % across the board.

In the playoffs… Iverson shot it 10 more times per game and again more FTs per game than Harden. Iverson with worse shooting % across the board.

Iverson the goat chucker.

There’s no argument.

 

KPJ is arguably our best player - he is not the problem at all.

DD

 

He is our best player, no doubt

 

Iverson was considered the GOAT chucker.....then Kobe came around and out-chucked him.....then Westbrick came around and out-chucked everyone who had or will ever chuck.

 

The argument is if iverson is a better scorer not a more efficient shooter etc.
He put the ball in the hoop and at the end of the day scored more points.
Iverson had even less help than harden and played in an Era more predicated on defense so lower fg percentage are expected.

 

No. Harden was a more efficient scorer period by a large margin also. That's what ts% says. It doesn't just take into account shooting.

 

Iverson was better at nothing. He was MILES worse in the playoffs then harden, let alone regular season. Look at any stat that exists, those 2 are worlds apart.

 

Even when you compare the percentages to league averages for their eras Harden wins out.

Being more efficient makes you a better scorer. It is the reason Westbrook and his huge box score numbers were meaningless. He chucked his way to 30 per game. Just because you shoot it 30 times a game and score more than someone who shoots it 20 times per game doesn’t just automatically make you a better scorer. It makes you a volume chucker.

 

None of that matters if your team wins......

Go look up Cousy's TS%.....sometimes chuckers help clear the space for others.....

DD

 

Is KPJ dribbling the way he does a problem for the Houston Rockets?

Yes. 100%.

Is it his fault?

Not at all. He is playing great and doing what he is being told to do.

 

I'm starting to agre with this take. I'm really paying attention to these offensive possessions and ya it really does look like KPJ is the only one who has confident and tight enough handles on this team to handle physical defenses consistently and Silas due to his lack of creativity has to rely on KPJ just for the offensive to look anywhere like a NBA level offense or else it's just going to be a bunch of dudes fumbling the ball around.

 

Not sure what someone who played in the 50s has to do with anything but his prime seasons were better TS% wise then iversons relative to league average (you can look at TS+, it’s like era+ in baseball)

 

That's kind of where I'm at, I hoped Green and Sengun would be able to do more by way of helping run the offense but thus far they haven't been up to it which has put a lot of pressure on KPJ. I still think they'll figure it out, but it hasn't been pretty early on

 

Take some time on basketball reference and educate yourself on players efficiency and how it compares to league average at the time. It’s all there on each players page. Cousy’s TS% when compared today is god awful. Compared to the league average in the years he played and he had many years above the league average.

There is no world where being a volume chucker on below league average efficiency is a good thing. It literally makes winning harder.

 

True shooting people are trolls......

True shooting doesn't matter if that role helps your team win.

If True shooting mattered that much why doesn't Harden have a ring?

Stats are only at most 30-40% important in analyzing teams.....

DD