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2022 Midterms

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Xerobull, Jan 8, 2021.

  1. jiggyfly

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    Did you make this poll yourself?

    LOL.
     
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  2. TheresTheDagger

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    It's not a poll.
     
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    Those cases and the NY AG suit can’t be stopped by Congress
     
  5. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    It isn't surprising that the group that pays almost no taxes and benefits substantially from government program supports the party that wants to increase taxes on other people and provide even more resources to programs. The real question is whether or not you can survive the winter.
     
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    It's not surprising that the generations(Boomers , gen X) that most benefited from being handed cheap mortgages right after WW2 like candy for doing menial factory labor with no higher education where those property values quadrupled after accounting for inflation who believe all their small business success is based purely on individual merit will support the party that wants to make sure that those people horde their wealth while kicking down the ladder that helped them get where they are.
     
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  10. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    There have never been cheaper mortgages than there were in the last couple years. They went under 3%. In the 1950s, it was just over 4%. The problem is not cheap mortgages, it is that in the 1950s there were cheap houses. The median home value in 1950 was about $7,400. That is because there was a housing boom. New construction was everywhere, especially in the suburbs. Now, new construction is very limited, especially in the cities, because building is restricted and policies that discourage building like restrictive zoning, onerous code and inspection requirements, and rent control drive away new development. A choked supply in combination with increased demand from population growth drives prices up. So, even though we have mortgages cheaper than ever (or did earlier this year) we don't have cheap houses. If we had massive new construction, the supply of housing could be increased to meet demand and prices would go down. The issue won't be solved by increased taxes or social programs or any of the other planks of either party platform, it will be solved by putting people in government that understand that usually the best thing government can do is get out of the way.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    "But actually".

    You aren't disagreeing with my premise. So we both agree it was much easier for the boomer generation to obtain property and Gen x benefiting the most from that property inflating in value way past inflation.

    Obviously ignore Black boomers and Gen Xers. They were redlined from that gold rush in property ownership.
     
  12. Space Ghost

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    Build quality between a 1950 and a 2020 house is significantly different. It's not a good comparison.
    Scrap building codes and you can drop housing by a large margin.
     
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    Honestly, all of this early vote comparison is worthless. In 2018, Republicans didn't think early voting was evil and fraudulent. 2020 had all sorts of unique Covid rules and options that don't exist now. Voting dynamics in this election are totally different and we simply don't know in what ways.
     
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  15. Amiga

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    yea, you can't count on it for much, but it's interesting to see the trend ...

    the 2020 trend seems to be continuing in 2022 (as far as which party votes early)
     
  16. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yes, I mentioned code and inspection requirements in the very post you quoted.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Y’all talking about scrapping building codes. As an architect that is a very bad idea.
     
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  18. Space Ghost

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    Fair enough.

    But its not onerous. Did the median price include basic amenities like electric and plumbing?

    20 years ago, I bought my first house. And old mill house at $28,000. The foundation and structure was original, top to bottom and excellent condition. Even after a complete overhaul to modernize the house (new electric, plumbing, AC/Heat), the house is only valued at $40,000 - $45,000 to date.

    Unless you're attempting to compare a 50's upper middle class home, there simply is no comparison.
     
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  19. StupidMoniker

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    You don't have to completely scrap building codes, but the codes and inspection requirements in California are far more stringent than necessary. The odds of a catastrophic failure of a single family home are basically non-existent. There is a reason millions and millions of people aren't being crushed in their homes in countries without such stringent building codes. There is a reason volunteers can go build homes in third world countries with no building experience.
     
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    always dangerous to read early vote tea leaves because you don't know how much is increased turnout and how much is votes that would normally be cast on election day being cannibalized early

    plus, a nontrivial number of voters registered with one party sometimes vote for the other party
     
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