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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Jeremy Williams, Sep 12, 2020.

  1. rockets1995

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    Best Pitching Staff I've seen, the depth is incredible but Pitchers are underperforming especially Justin Verlander.

    If there is a Game 5 at Philadelphia with Justin Verlander pitching scared the whole postseason he already lost the game.

    Lance McCullers pitches scared in certain moments, he was lucky on Aaron Judge flyball
    Lance McCullers on kis knee on the ground.

    That was weak, plus Astro clinch game against dodgers in 2017 Lance pitches scared hit some batters, he was lifted then Brad Peacock is Fearless, Liriano, Charlie Morton Fearless Nasty Pitches
     
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    Garcia was great last time and maybe that is what convinced him it was a good move this time but. . .

    They had a 2-0 lead in a 5 game series.

    Brown and Stanek had already been used.

    They were facing the Mariners, not the Phillies who live by the HR.

    Garcia gives up more HR than any Astro except Urquidy.
     
  3. leroy

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    What did Lance do to you? You seem to really not like him. Did he hit on your girlfriend in front of you or something?
     
  4. rockets1995

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    I don't hate Lance as a person, just a observation as a pitcher with bad mound presence in bad moments.

    That Lance panics when there was deep flyball and looks like a home run and he bends over to his knees or knee the ground.

    It sends a bad message to the team and the opponent smells blood like sharks waiting to strike.
     
  5. leroy

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    So in 2017 (still not his rookie season) ALCS Game 7 when he threw almost 30 straight breaking balls to the yankees and helped win us that game/series, he had bad mound presence? It's not panic. It's frustration. At least, I think so, because neither you nor I know what is going through his head other than "please don't go out". Many pitchers react the way that he does. I don't see you calling out anyone else, though. Hence the reason it seems personal.
     
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    I'm more worried about Framber. Lance is pretty good at working his way out of tough situations. Framber has such a history of melting down mentally when something goes wrong that the team had to hire a sports psychologist for him. It's worked for him this season but imagine if we go down 2-3 runs in game 2 and the crowd is dead silent.
     
  7. Tomstro

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    Yep. Lance has those moments and definitely in the Dodger game that you are referring to.
     
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    We won but Dusty has been managing this series horribly.
     
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    I am not attacking him personally, I am talking about his scared behavior on the mound. Scared, panic look on his face when he struggles.
     
  10. YOLO

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    He managed it just fine last night
     
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    I dunno. Running out Montero for a second night in an extended outing was iffy.

    I know Neris, Montero, and pressly are his safety blankets but I’m concerned he might over use and/or over-expose them early in the series.

    his decisions on when to pull the starters has been kinda questionable too.
     
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    I didn’t think so. He’s been trusting his bullpen for a reason and they’ve all been money to this point. Game 1 question it whatever. Last night was just fine. But the cool thing to do is find something to nitpick and complain about these days
     
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    Lol. You disagree with me so I'm nitpicking. C'mon man.
     
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    I’m not the one complaining about baker last night in a very well managed game
     
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    Not nitpicking to be "cool". I don't care about that. I mostly have problem with Montero not getting pulled earlier. Putting him out there for an 2nd inning when the same batters up saw him last night and they were clearly starting to figure him out. Stott was fighting off his pitches very well to draw a walk. Schawber just barely missed a HR after him. You have a deep bullpen with a day off tomorrow. No need to stretch him. I've been praising Dusty all post-season but he's been shaky to me in this World Series so far. I call it as I see it.
     
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    Cool. And I’ll call it like I see it and he was fine last night
     
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    Feel the same way. Dusty's managing in the first two series was solid. For whatever reason in the WS, he's leaning harder on his starters and key bullpen guys. JV didn't have it in game 1 and probably needed to come out before giving up 5 runs. Leaving Montero in for >30 pitches on the second night of a back to back wasn't great either.

    Yea, that's fine. No one is annoyed you have that opinion. It's a polite disagreement dude.
     
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    Would you be saying the same thing if either of Schwarber's not-homers had been five feet in the wrong direction or if Harper comes up big with two men on after the Pena error?

    Dusty has been great in the playoffs overall, but he's leaving in his pitchers too long. The fact that he lucked out and avoided disaster last night does not prove he made the right call. It cost him one run in the 7th, and it could have easily cost him more in the 8th.

    I'm a Dusty fan and despite his head-scratching regular season decisions, I've generally been a fan of his postseason calls. It's not unfair to be critical of his World Series pitcher management, though. It hasn't been great through two games.
     
  19. YOLO

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    Yeah I would
     
  20. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So, Baker "lucked out" because his moves worked? When his moves don't work out, does that mean he was unlucky?
     
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