KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Game film don't lie, eye test don't lie

nobody said nothing about Klay, i said i would draft Iverson over Harden plus also Lebron and Jordan and many others as well over Harden but that wouldn't mean I Am anti-Harden or pro whatever it just means I Am drafting the best player who i feel would dominate from day 1 to a decade at least

the truly dominant players are those from day 1 rookie year, others who come on later in career can reach that level, while the dominant ones are already there so they can only go downward after showcasing it for years

I Am talking G'Town Iverson to Philly Iverson, which is why i stated who i would draft to start my franchise, not basing it off what Harden became, Iverson was always what Harden became from day 1

Metrics and win shares are cute, but they don't trump the eye test or actually speaking from experience

some of AI peers have called him top 5 ever and also the greatest pound for pound player ever, so it's not insulting at all to say AI over Harden, but it is insulting to claim Harden is so far above Iverson on what they both showcased on the hardwood because of win shares and other deflecting numbers which doesn't account for those players who have inefficient support cast

McKie and Snow were his longest tenure teammates with 7 out of 10 years in Philly and they are both career inefficient 6ppg scorers

Harden never had two 6ppg scorers as his core pieces (7 yrs) with him, even in his early Rockets years when they were still trying to find their way and build around him, even the overhyped Lin was good for 10 - 12ppg on his own, which was Harden's weakest support cast during that early Rockets tenure

 

eye test doesn’t say otherwise at all…Harden>>>AI with whatever test u want to use

Why is that relevant tho? Why does it matter who u would take coming out of college? No one ever thought college Harden would become what he did in the NBA, so that criteria really doesn’t mean much. Most of the best players are dominant from day 1? Ok, Harden wasn’t, but he ended up much better than Iverson.

 

Ya idk, i’m just gonna assume you’re trolling and move on. This is like someone saying that the eye test tells me that ariza was a better 3 pt shooter then steph, it’s truly THAT ridiculous and THAT devoid of logic and reality.

 

This thread gets funnier each minute KPJ is on the court.

See it yet OP?

 

KPJ got his stats so there isn’t anything more important than that.

5 turnovers to the win

 

LOL at the fools blaming a player when he is getting zero support from the coaching staff and system.

DD

 

He gets all he wants… playing like a street hooper that’s his choice more or less.

 

That isn't support that is the opposite of support, just letting players try to sort it out on their own...he has to beat 2 or 3 people every possession.

Silas sucks.

DD

 

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KPJ doesn’t really deserve that much of a support when playing ISOs non stop without involving his teammates. He hasn’t shown much of anything promising. If he was anything special, Cavs wouldn’t even cut him off.

Gotta play for the team, not for himself then I will support him no matter what.

 

Its cool you feel like that, the eye test surely says otherwise, AI didn't improve from sophomore season to nba, he was that good from day 1 like others I could name who I would draft over Harden to start my franchise from scratch with

But it doesn't diminish the player Harden became at all

And of course Harden wasn't dominant day 1 and its why no legend has ever said he was top 5 ever, but he is a force in his own right,

It was relevant based on my opinion I posted and you replied with your counter rebuttal or so called argument

 

Not trolling at all

I am just going to assume you never played ball where you have been game planned for and you just that fly on the wall who created metrics and win shares so you could feel apart of the game on some small level

You can use numbers and the eye test, but the numbers have to be across the board for their teammates as well, just like using the eye test for those same players

My comparison with Curry shooting 3's would be like saying R Allen / Bird / Kerr / Korver / Hodges / Klay etc (AI & Harden level / comparison)

Not no Ariza, now that is pure trolling on your part, your eyes would need to get checked for even thinking Ariza was on the level of shooting 3's on Curry level, rather set shot or off screens or off the bounce

 

He sucks. To be fair Smith is playing bad too. Green was awful as well tonight

 

Just noticed he played for 35 min… that’s way too much for someone unable to organize anything. Have to trim it down to 25 and give those 10 to Christopher or Tyty.

 

just an example; Sengun sets a screen for KPJ then look at what KPJ does. Instead of giving the ball to Sengun (NOT GUARDED) he commits a stupid turnover. Intentionally he ignores Sengun in the paint. This kind of action breaks my nerves, I must say. Holding myself not to hate him eternally.

Low BBIQ + Selfishness+ Jealousy= KPJ in action.

 

Aren't you the KPJ warrior? He has you for support.

Calling folks fools must be real nice.

 

This team is going nowhere and KPJ is exactly the guy to get you there to a high lottery pick. My concern is if you do see him as a piece of the puzzle going forward then you have to make him take his role as a 6th man to see if he can handle that. Unfortunately, we have no pg with TyTy hurt. Nix is a slob who needs to be but immediately. I guess grab somebody on waivers. Hopefully we get Wembyama or the real Scoot. Going to be a long season. Definitely fire Silas

 

eye test surely does not say otherwise

being better than someone to start your career is irrelevant and means absolutely nothing when that other player ends up becoming the far better player, but u do u I guess

 

KPJ fanbois can continue to simp for this guy all they want and post tweets from Twitter randos trying to pump him up, but all the non-stans can see what’s up with this dude

u are going nowhere with KPJ as your PG or primary decision maker…he just doesn’t have what it takes

he is scorer that can get a couple of assists, not a leader or runner of an offense

only the Rockets would waste time starting him at PG

 

Checking in to make sure you casuals are still blaming 1 player for the systemic breakdown - Yup you surface level fans never disappoint!

Let me guess TyTy Washington will do better with his junior high frame because he’s a “natural” PG !!

Monkeys see and monkeys do.

 

I need 20 games for a real opinion but he needs to play the whole game like he does in the second half. He is much more willing and team minded in the second half

Though I would probably iso a lot too if I were him. Silas ain’t doing his job and these boys Jabari, Eason, and KMJ just be blowing easy alley, layups, and air balling like 2ft shots. Jabari is out here doing turn around fades. Don’t have much to say about Green. He’ll get there

I do think we need to trade up for Amen or Nick Smith jr as insurance. I would really like Amen at 6’7 and let him & KPJ compete for who’s PG or SF

We need a vet though to show these young boys. I think KPJ plays his guaranteed year as a starter next season though

KPJ/Conley
Green/Thompson
SF(who knows)
Jabari/KMJ
Sengun/vet

I don’t know. This season has ****ed up already. I don’t know what to think. Scoot Henderson at 6’2 is a no go for me tho