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Kelly IKO - Kenyon Martin Jr. Looking for a trade

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jun 20, 2022.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    So in short, you want the team to be worse. Gotcha.
     
  2. peleincubus

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    I do not think KPJ will be starting for the Rockets by the trade deadline of next season. He will either be coming off the bench or traded. At this point if you were to perceive improvement across the board in the coming years from the Rockets I still would say there is a 2% chance MAYBE that you could have top 3 team with KPJ as a starting guard. The %'s increase to whatever extent as him coming off the bench as the 6-7th man.
     
  3. Rokman

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    It won't be worse when they have a true point guard. Right now, the only one on the team is TyTy.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    That's adorably delusional.
     
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    Well so there is not any confusion in what I am saying, I am not recommending TyTy to start. I'm just making the point that KPJ needs to move to the bench and be 6th man. A real PG needs to be brought in. My original post said KPJ, Fernando, TyTy and Garuba off the bench. The starting PG role needs to be filled some other way.
     
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  6. Bobbythegreat

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    I got you, I think the whole "real PG" nonsense is fairly feeble minded given that a "real PG" would have the ball in their hands almost always and that would cause the Jalen Green first/only fans and the Sengun first/only fans to throw the EXACT same temper tantrum that they are throwing right now with a player that fits MUCH better than some relic "real PG" that basically does not exist in the NBA anymore for good reason.

    That's not to call you out specifically, I think you are just going along with a foolish narrative that has been pushed so often that many get caught up in it.
     
  7. jim1961

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    I agree with a lot of this.
    But I think when many say "Real PG", all they really mean is a guy who makes better decisions with the ball.
     
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    Braun was Denver's #1 target in the draft. Unfortunately they won't make that trade--Braun is a baller.
     
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    He has regressed every year for some reason. Anyways his measurable are terrible ,short arms terrible handle etc.,. I'd rather give his mins to Eason or tate or even move porter to sf. We should just package him with ego since Martin has a cheap contract and that package might get us another frp.
     
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  10. Rokman

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    I'm not on board with modern day groupthink that a "real PG" is a bunch of BS. Sorry. I've watched basketball for nearly 30 years and there is a HUGE difference on the court when a guy like Chris Paul is controlling the tempo and setting up the team and when a guy like KPJ is in charge. KPJ is like Francis, when he thinks he's hot, forget everyone else. A "real PG" doesn't get caught up in himself. His job is to make sure the ball is moving and the right guy gets his shot. Schroeder is not considered a "real PG" but he was much closer to one than KPJ and the offense was light years better with him in charge than Porter. Porter is a good player and he has a ways to go to develop fully but he's a scorer first. That's who he is. He needs to be off the bench.
     
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  11. Rokman

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    Yeah, dude will be a solid contributor for a looong time. He's got that fighting spirit. I just want another guy like Jabari here to keep the team locked in.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    I agree he needs to make better decisions with the ball, he's a young PG and sometimes he shows it.... but focusing on the bad while ignoring the good isn't helpful.

    Every player on the team struggles at some moments with decision making, we shouldn't be attacking the guy who is currently best at it as if they can't get better.

    The "real PG" Tyty has considerably worse decision making
     
  13. Francis3422

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    We need to keep giving KPJ burn at PG.

    He has been on his best behavior recently and we now have him on a value contract. He has played well in many areas.

    I don't project it working with him (endgame wise) but for the next season or two we can afford to find out. I'd personally prefer Green to initiate more and KPJ less but both have done a lot of good.
     
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    Chris Paul championships - 0

    Steph Curry championships - 4

    Actually, in your 30 years of experience, what team with a ball dominant, tempo controlling point guard won a championship?
     
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    A guy like CP3, a guy like Steve Nash. CP3 is the last of the dinosaurs. I’ve been watching NBA basketball for 55 years and even I can see that the day of the true “PG” is at an end. KPJ does need to improve, but that true PG crap is getting old.
     
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    The contract says it, it is year to year Team Option, Hopefully KPJ accepts bench role and score points as a 6th man. If not he can traded.

    Rockets Need to find a Speedy Quick Decision Passer with Jalen Green Set Up Passes to Spot Up Shooter in Smith
     
  17. Rokman

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    Chris Paul - Very Injury Prone

    Steph Curry - Unicorn player. Greatest shooter in the history of the game playing on a Super Team. Doesn't count.

    Here's your list
    https://hoopshype.com/lists/20-greatest-point-guards-ever-the-hoopshype-list/
     
  18. Rokman

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    Agree to disagree.
     
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    I think you guys are somewhat conflating to things that do not absolutely need to be. A traditional point guard is not what it used to because they are when considering the best in the league at any given time are now just going to have to be better at other facets of the game.

    Doing all of the things that make up the skill of being able to create for teammates is still there. But only doing that is not enough anymore typically though.

    Luka and Harden. Perhaps Scoot Henderson as well… are good at a lot of things. The two former are great at creating the latter may be.

    To have an elite team I think you almost have to have a good creator at a position. Lebron Luka Harden. An absolute outlier Curry with another elite shooting guard with him. K Leonard and Greek Superman being examples of something else.

    Perhaps I’m making no sense lol
     
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    Curry is a great off ball mover on a team that loves moving the ball. Rather than asking for a pure traditional point guard instead of KPj, I think people just dont want a Harden/Luka type of player especially a homeless man's version of it. At least thats my standing. Its ugly even when its HOF level. Outside of some great battles and proud victories? Harden era was boring & ugly basketball...now replicate that with a food stamps version of Harden and constantly losing= no fun.

    There's a lot of things I miss about the 90s NBA, but one thing that gets overlooked is the fact that vets signed with bad teams that welcomed them all the time. Now they just got bought out and go ring chase leaving the worst teams full of kids with no leadership as tough veteran coaches are also phased out for young player friendly coaches. Thats ok. We'll get participation trophies soon.
     
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