KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

I dont know Im not a "stats guy", but if the overall team is BETTER with a certain player on the court would that not by default mean the team is more efficient without needing to insert player specific data? Thats the goal here right to have a championship TEAM?

It just tickles me to death when anyone makes any sort of positive affirmations regarding KPJ that you have some guys respond like this:

 

Houston Rockets Net Ratings in ALL of their minutes…

1. Tate : +10.9
2. Mathews : +4.1
3. Gordon : +0.7
4. Martin : +0.5

5. Eason : -1.9
6. Sengun : -2.1
7. Nix : -7.1
8. Garuba: -7.9
9. Porter : -9.3
10. Fernando : -12.5
11. Smith : -15.1
12. Green : -15.3
13. Boban : -21.1
14. Hudgins : -33.3
15. Christopher : -36.6

 

Tate was the answer all along with his 1 game sample size!! Im sure what every Rocket fan thinks about when turning things around is that we have to get Gary Mathews MORE INVOLVED!!!

 

Hey…you brought net ratings into the discussion and used the net ratings in a ~50 possession sample(less than 1 games worth) to prop your boy

 

Yep, them guys still trying to argue me about his ts% after me giving them several examples really tells the tell.

 

Which is why i mentioned the height factor, AI had supreme physical ability / toughness from his football days which is why he challenged the lane relentlessly and finished over the giants of his era

Harden just had a better overall support cast/talent for their duration of career, give AI the equivalent of KD/Embiid in his era as i mentioned in other posts and he probably has more Finals trips and chance to compete for multiple ships

if you were starting your team from scratch and both were coming out of college and you drafted Harden over Iverson i would be super happy taking Iverson, it is what it be

Iverson was just as good in HS/NCAA as he was in the NBA, some players are just built diff.

Iverson played shooting guard for his prime Philly years after Brown came and moved him there, but he was a point guard size for sure, which is why it's amazing once you think how a guy under 6ft was moved to shooting guard, and also the lack of talent Philly put around him

if Jordan was 7'3'' with his same attributes / desire he would have been dominant as any Center, barring injuries

 

Well you have to take that up with Bron who made the quote, which i took from it as saying he played way bigger than his actual 5'10'' height, which he did, nothing more nor less

yet your natural child bearing aunt doesn't have balls and 99% of nba players aren't under 5'9'', so as the saying goes 'what you see is what you get'

 

you just gotta be SOOOOO anti harden to say something like this, just because you like someone else better. Just pure hatred

 

Well some say back in that time Iverson changed the game as well

if Iverson played in Mike D system it would have been even more filthy stat wise, but he got hindered for most of his prime years in Philly in a strictly old school slow down / defensive style under L Brown

i think AI put up 33 and 8 in a O'Brien system, Mike D system is tailor made for players like AI and other guards like Harden and whoever is on that level

 

Why would i have to be anti anything on speaking my opinion on a sports matter?

are you pro Harden and would draft him over everybody coming out of college/high school and you were building your team from scratch?

would you draft Harden over Wilt / Jordan / Bron? if you chose the latter would that make you anti-Harden?

you better go back and watch some film, because most are basing AI on how his career ended, I Am talking about them being drafted out of G'Town/ASU

 

The free throw shooting is great to see, that's a huge improvement over past years. Another thing not mentioned in the tweet is that he's getting to the line more often too, which complements the improved shooting.

 

At least 5 of his turnovers have been offensive fouls and moving screens......KPJ has made HUGE improvements.

DD

 

not really understanding why u think this is a good argument

Yeah, I would probably draft AI over Harden coming out of college, but that’s because I never expected Harden to be anywhere near as good as he ended up becoming, which is a player that is much better than Allen Iverson.

 

go look at any metric, harden is so far above iverson that it's insulting. Saying i would draft harden over lebron is on the same level (maybe actually not as egregious but too lazy to look it up). Win shares alone harden is over 50% more and he's not even done. Nobody is thinking about the end, i'm talking about philly iverson. If you say you'd draft klay over harden, that means you're extremely biased anti harden. If you say you'd draft harden over jordan, you're extremely biased anti jordan (or pro the other way)

 

This combined with the end of the last season is good to see from a 3&D perspective. Hopefully his playmaking shows similar improvement and at least goes from mediocre to decent.

 

Nobody cares what Red Rowdy fans have to say.

 

I understand where you are coming from, but the reality is that we don't lose game 7 to the Warriors with Iverson - because we wouldn't be there. Iverson wouldn't have even gotten us that far.

 

Iverson was also TERRIBLE in the playoffs, putting up a 48% TS the season they made the finals because the league didn't want the bucks

 

well that is where it all begins, i based it on who would you draft to start your franchise with coming out of college, no different than me saying who would you draft overall in nba history to start your franchise with all players out of college, not looking at their career of 10/15 years and then cherry picking, because most of the actual dominant / best players are usually that from day 1

I wasn't arguing at all, speaking my 2 cents, some of yall is weird on here thinking something is a argument

nobody expected Harden to be what he became but Iverson was always whatever Harden became coming out of G'Town, he just didn't get to play with such a off. player friend coach until late in his with Karl, which he was past his 'best youth years' at that stage, especially for so called small scoring guards

if you think Harden individually was a much better player than Iverson than i really don't know what to tell ya, but it's your opinion and the eye test says otherwise, easily