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Are KPJ and Jalen Green going to be efficient scorers?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by pr0wler, Oct 27, 2022.

  1. daywalker02

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    He is better than JCraw but as you said JCraw was the better fit on many teams he has been on because he knew his role to a tee.

    Better said, he defined that role for a decade.

    Score, score, shoot against 2nd stringers.
     
  2. Caesar

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    KPj is the poorest poor man's James Harden and even Harden was coming off the bench. KPj has a perfect role for himself and the team on the bench.
    Were not tanking. Were bad. What frustrates me is we would have still been bad developing our best prospects in their right roles instead of hurting development trying to turn KPj into Luka or Harden and being ugly bad and not at all fun to watch.

    This is an incredible year to lose whether we come away with Wemby or Henderson. If neither then we fire Silas for a vet coach, move KP to the 6th man role and get a vet 3 and D pg and Tari and Alpy to the starting lineup and define clear cut roles in a real system for them to develop in. Honestly looking back, I would have rather have had JVG here pushing these guys to be all out on defense and effort while having an ugly offense and probably bringing in vets and making even Jalen and especially KPj earn their minutes.

    We've wasted 2 years hoping KPj can become the next Harden like steal for Stone and Luka like development for Silas but he's more so Silas's last shot to stay a head coach and not return to lifetime assistant role. Its not going to work out. Silas picked the wrong horse. We gotta move on from both the coach and his pet project for the future of our squad...after the season.
     
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  3. Caesar

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    And I should say Silas seems like such a great dude and I really rooted for him and wanted him to get this opportunity. Being an NBA assistant coach is still a hell of a life to live and there is always the college head coach path.

    KP seems matured enough to accept a green light bench role. Not like he would be getting demoted to end of bench or Gleague. Lots of players would kill for a green light 6th man role..
    I wanted Silas to test that maturity last year and see how he would react. I was worried about KP calling himself thr franchise and getting delusional setting himself up for another blow up, but I really do think he's ready to accept that role and thrive in it.
     
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  4. Chucky_Brown

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    KPJ a ball-stopper like no player in recent Rockets history. Any time he touches it in the half-court, it's a mandatory 10-15 dribbles. Never a quick pass. Very rarely the right pass.

    Other than overall athleticism, it's the biggest difference that I see between him and JG. Not that Green is a savvy ball-mover himself - far from it - but you'll at least see him make the right play a couple of times a game. Gives me hope he understands the value of that kind of ball movement, even if he's playing on a team that doesn't.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    This is just untrue, Harden was way more of a ball stopper.

    DD
     
  6. BallSoHarden

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    I think if KPJ becomes an all-star then he is not stat padding and is an efficient player winning us games, in that scenario we would not trade him. I do not see him becoming this player here under this system and staff and being asked to play PG.
     
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    Crawford was a much better ISO player than KPJ, more efficient + he could drive to the rim way stronger.
     
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    Maybe? Maybe not?
     
  9. daywalker02

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    I cut him some slack, he is only 22.
     
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    Yeah, pretty unlikely - but he is getting better.

    DD
     
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    Harden was a ball-stopper who, in any given possession, would ultimately show android-like efficiency when it came to making the right pass. And even if he did stop the ball a lot, he'd still be willing to move it quicker than KPJ in the right situation.

    There is no comparison between the two players.
     
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    Chucker green is nothing more then a one dimensional chucker with little to zero playmaking ability and extreme tunnel vision. If the Rockets had any sense they would start running the offense through Sengun a little more to be less predictable
     
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    Difference was harden had all world court vision with ability to run an offense as good as any point guard. Stop being a simpleton
     
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    Green's finishing ability and ability to draw fouls is a definite concern thus far
     
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    Green will get there eventually, I think. Maybe sooner rather than later. His shot is looking far more consistent than his rookie year and he's a good free-throw shooter.

    Nothing about KPJ has showed me that he will end up as an efficient scorer. In fact, nothing about his game is efficient right now. I'm looking forward to him proving me wrong on this point
     
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    Our two guards on the part of the chart we don’t want. High volume, low efficiency.
     
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    Some things that help develop star players offensively:

    - Great passers around (especially at PG)
    - Another star to play off and draw attention
    - Supporting talent to finish plays -- shooting 3s/or at the rim

    Green's efficiency would benefit a lot from a stud passing PG, or having a frontcourt star who opens up looks. KPJ might have potential star talent but he's the classic "not good enough for the role he requires" and his mindset isn't going to change, which makes him best suited for a 6th man role. I like Bari but I think he's never going to create a ton of his own looks.

    Right now we're giving them too much responsibility, but there isn't that much of an alternative. Sengun might be someone who could shoulder more of an offensive role, but he doesn't always fit with the Gs uptempo style of play
     

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