KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

You will soon learn tgst KPJ's legion of like 8 fans do this always

 

Yeah of course.. “Its obvious you don't have an idea and want me to do all the work”, “go to NBA.com”
LOL, certainly you make this board more enjoyable.. got a good laugh today..

 

Not good enough for what, for who?

Who are you judging him by?

To me he has jumped off the screen he looks to be much more decisive and comfortable, I don't just go by any statistical data especially this early in the season and with a team this young in a rebuilding phase.

Can you give me an example of a guy who is this situation that is asked to do what he is asked shooting the number you want?

It's ok to want something in a vacuum, but then you have to look at the circumstances.

At the end of the day he is not a finished project and nobody should acting like it pro or con.

I think KPJ has looked every bit as good as Green and I think green has looked great but Green is supposed to be a franchise type guy so why are we judging him against KPJ in the 1st place?

 

Glad to be of service.

Whoever the **** you are.

 

Lol like you matter

 

Average for the league is not a great thing to measure him by, what is the average of guards?

Also, he is still a young guy who has only been in the NBA 4 years, and it's just his 3rd year getting major playing time, he was just in the G league 2 years ago.

I have no issue with anyone wanting him to be better, but some of this stuff is arbitrary IMO and not taking into account the situation he is playing under.

The whole thing of focusing on TS% is arbitrary, it's not like this team would take a huge leap if his TS% goes up 4 points.

 

Burner account confirmed.

 

I was pretty encouraged by KPJ the first few games but his decisionmaking in the last 2 games has gotten progressively worse, hitting its absolute nadir last night in the 2nd and 3rd periods, some dribble up closely guarded iso mid range, I mean who other than Russ does that?

My guess is because Utah sucks they put pressure on themselves to just "go out and win it" and then make dumb decisions, then guys like Jalen stand around for a quarter, and he's go to iso when he gets it becuse he doesn't know when he'll get it back. And thn everybody else does it too. Just pass the ******* ball and play faster. They're supposed to be a pace team - act like it. I actually don't care if they miss layups as long as they push the pace and create fouls. Utah had no shotblocking or interior defnese. I know the officials were'nt calling fouls but no reason to abandon going to the basket. Even Gordon took the lazy way out settling for too many of his long 3's

 

Average for the league is what everyone else is judged against.

Still young, but his efficiency has remained stagnant his entire career. Most players who end up being efficient players exhibit improvement from year to year. A jump in efficiency from year 1 to year 2 and especially year 2 to year 3 is a normal occurrence for guys who end up being the type of high volume efficient scorers we are trying to find.

There is nothing arbitrary about TS% when talking about a high volume scoring guard, it is the most important attribute to discuss. Nothing about my argument is about us winning games this season or placing the blame for our losses this season solely at his feet. It’s about my belief that the probability of him ever becoming a high volume and high efficient guy is very low.

Plenty of players on crappy teams have exhibited the ability to be at the very least league average in efficiency.(Jalen Green on the exact same team is trending that direction) I’m not expecting Curry/Harden/Durant level efficiency, but the fact that he has shown no improvement in that area over his 3+ years does not bode well for his future based on the entire history of the NBA.

I’m by no means completely ruling out his ability to improve in that area, but this game has been played for decades and decades. It’s just rare for players to all of a sudden make some huge leap in efficiency.

 

DId you watch the game? 2 of those turnovers were offensive screen calls....5 of the total team turnovers were those calls.....but yeah.....he does have a general turnover issue, can be better.

Why they don't run run run is beyond me - the half court offense is horrible, they run no plays it is Iso KPJ or ISO Green ...to exhaustion....

DD

 

That isn't what you do, you come in and make quips, nice edit job on the slander and lies you had posted. When I DMed you to ask why you do it, you claimed it was a joke.....it doesn't bother me per se, just curious as to why you do it.....I used to enjoy your takes, some of the well thought out ones, but something happened (I am guessing my take on Afgahnastan) that flipped you, and it makes the board worse.

So before I put you on ignore, I was curious, why......but you go ahead and do whatever you want, if you keep trailing me like a lost puppy desperate for attention I will just ignore you.

And for the record the one making this about me, is you.....oh the irony right? I am posting about the topic, feel free to disagree - many do, and many don't, that is what is cool about discourse.....

DD

 

Good enough to be a winning point guard on a championship capable team. Good enough to be a largely positive player. Good enough to be a star. Good enough to say "we have our point guard" on the team. I think that's the goal here and either KPJ is that guy or he's not, and in my opinion, he cannot be that guy if he has a 53% TS. We need him to be that guy, and this is an area where he needs improvement if he wants to break into that upper echelon of point/combo guards.

I'm not sure what you mean by those qualifiers, but if you want examples of combo guards who are efficient, you can look at Trae Young, James Harden, Dame Lillard, Steph Curry, Ja Morant, Luka Doncic, Donovan Mitchell, Kyrie Irving, Tyrese Halliburton, and SGA. I don't really know if this is what you were asking for but that's a list of 10 guys off the top of my head who play the combo guard role and do it on good efficiency.

Anyway, I never said he was a finished product, and I'm definitely not acting like it. I only brought up Jalen Green as an example of a player who has made a big leap in between seasons, I could find hundreds of other guys who have done it in the past, I just thought it was a good example because it's something we're all seeing right now. It doesn't mean I'm judging him "against" KPJ. This is more of an eye test thing so if KPJ has jumped off the screen the same way then you're entitled to you're opinion. To me he doesn't look like a totally different player than last year, or the year before. It's probably because we focus on different areas, judging by our posts.

And I don't really want to get into a back and fourth where I have to take an anti-KPJ stance here. I'm pro KPJ. I think he should be the point guard, and I think he should be given time to continue his improvement. Obviously the organization thinks so as well. I went into 2021 thinking "this is the year he takes the leap in efficiency" and was bummed out that he showed zero improvement from the previous year. And so far this year (with our extremely small sample size) it doesn't look like he's made that leap.

 

Burner account? Tell you what, we will bet accounts I only have one. Agreed?

 

No average for the league is not what everybody else is judged by, players are judged by like players that play the same position.

His career is barely 3 years old so what?

So TS does not depend on other players and what a guy is asked to do?

What 3+ years? He has played a total of 142 that's not even 2 full seasons.

Huge leap? We are talking 4% away from average, Kyrie Irving averaged about 54% his 1st 4 years and then made a jump.

Lillard was about 55% and he made a jump of about 4%.

Jalen Brunson has made a 6% jump in 3 years.

Donavan mitchel has made a 4% jump.

Zach Levine has made an 8% jump since his 1st 4 years, and he more than twice as many games.

I'm sure I can find more, but those were guys off the top of my head.

Its not rare at all.

And then you got this guy.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jrue-holiday-career-true-shooting-percentage

 

How the **** do you think we could prove that?

You real shook.

 

His turnovers are actually down a solid amount this year, that's been a positive not a negative

 

Ok, let's just see how the season plays out SGA numbers were not that much better his 1st 2 years, and he played double the games with much better players.

I just think we a way to early in his career and with the makeup of the team to really be judging anything and no I don't get caught up in efficiency numbers especially when they are not terrible.

This guy never had a average ts% of about 50 until his 8th year and he won a championship.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jrue-holiday-career-true-shooting-percentage

 

A 4% difference in TS% is big. It’s what separates well below average to average and from average to elite.

Of the guys you have listed here Lillard started his 1st year above league average and shows improvement over year 1. Brunson started below league average but improved each of his 1st 3 years. Lavine started below league average, but improved each year and was already above league average by year 2. Mitchell has had an upward trajectory for nearly every season of his career, but isn’t someone who is considered an elite efficiency guy, he’s only barely been above league average one full season of his career and that was last year.

Lillard year 1 was @ 54.6 TS% and that was already 1.1% ABOVE the league average.
Lillard year 2 jumped up to 56.8 TS% and that was 2.7% ABOVE the league average.
Lillard year 3 dipped a bit down to 56.0 TS% but was still 2.6% ABOVE the league average.

Brunson year 1 was @ 54.9 TS% and that was 1.1% below league average.
Brunson year 2 was @ 55.3 TS% and that was 1.2% below league average.
Brunson year 3 jumped all the way up to 61.8 TS% and that was 4.6% ABOVE league average.

Lavine year 1 was @ 51.5 TS% and that was 1.9% below league average.
Lavine year 2 was @ 54.8 TS% and that was 0.7% ABOVE league average.
Lavine year 3 was @ 57.6 TS and that was 2.4% ABOVE league average.

KPJ on the other hand has been below league average every single season so far and has shown no real improvement.

Year 1 was @ 53.5 TS% and that was 3.0% below league average
Year 2 was @ 52.8 TS% and that was 4.4% below league average
Year 3 was @ 53.1 TS% and that was 3.5% below league average
And early into year 4 he is at 52.7 TS% and that is 3.8% below league average.

It absolutely is rare for a guy to show little to no improvement over their first few years, being well below league average efficiency to improve in a big way.

 

Shouldn't bother using stats to a guy who makes stats up to slander another rockets player when folks r criticizing kpj. Kpj only fans r disgusting

 

People who hate on Rockets players are disgusting.....say something nice about KPJ - just one thing he is doing well? LOL....

DD