KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Like I said, I will never count a young player out. This applies to KPJ's passing/decision making, Jabari's handles, and Penguin's shooting. Thankfully for Sengun, shooting is the easiest skill to improve on. That said, I don't use 3 games as proof of anything for any player. I will wait until the ASB before drawing any conclusions of his range.

 

Part 2 of Exposing @jiggyfly 's Slander on Sengun

Sengun only has 1 season under his belt and is already labeled as below average, since apparently ALL the metrics say so. The issue i have with some posters on here, @maj21 included, they think that by simply saying they are "fans" of a player, they can proceed to make up sht to slander said player w/o thinkin folks won't fact check/question them.

Using advance metrics there are 17 categories, that I used. No cherry picking. I didn't use
W/L: i wouldn't use that cause it makes no sense to call someone below average player simply based on their w/l

out of 604 players, average being 302

Player A 6/17 categories are below average
GP: 78th
Min: 258th
Offense Rating; 373th below
Defense Rating: 539th below
Net Rating: 499th below
Ast%: 139th
Ast/TO: 396th below
Ast ratio: 199th
ORebound%: 88th
DRebound%: 129th
Rebound%: 92th
TO Ratio: 554th below
EFG%: 355th below
TS: 293th
USG%: 126th
Pace: 199th
Player Impact: 193th

Player B 11/17 categories are below average
GP: 132th
Min: 79th
Offense Rating; 379th below
Defense Rating: 546th below
Net Rating: 512th below
Ast%: 237th
Ast/TO: 389th below
Ast ratio: 387th below
ORebound%: 484th below
DRebound%: 495th below
Rebound%: 514th below
TO Ratio: 332th below
EFG%: 331th below
TS: 315th below
USG%: 83th
Pace: 138th
Player Impact: 292th


Player C 8/17 categories are below
GP: 203th
Min: 84th
Offense Rating; 310th below
Defense Rating: 511th below
Net Rating: 441th below
Ast%: 35th
Ast/TO: 216th
Ast ratio: 93th
ORebound%: 393th below
DRebound%: 352th below
Rebound%: 362th below
TO Ratio: 512th below
EFG%: 327th below
TS: 374th below
USG%: 77th
Pace: 173th
Player Impact: 223th

Comparing the three
Player A: Sengun
Man has only 6 categories that is below average, yet lo and behold according to jigglyfly, all the metrics paint him as below average.

Player B: Jalen Green
Why aren't folks calling him a below average player? He had a sht start and has an amazing second half. Do you still call him a below average player bc of his career stats?

Player C: KPJ
Supposedly the best most talent player on the team has more below average categories than sengun who is considered below average. Why aren't folks like you calling KPJ below average? bc u jigglyfly are bias.


To b honest it's quite unfair for the two rookies to b compared to the league as a whole, but to make it fair for KPJ all three players were compared to the whole league, Lo and behold Sengun has less categories where he is below average, but apparently all categories paint him otherwise.


We all know Sengun isn't below average, but when KPJ is being criticize KPJ fans like jigglyfly has to throw sht at other players to distract/derail the convo.


Quite disgusting behavior. Rather than acknowledge your favorite player's weakness, just sling dogsht at other players. Sengun didn't do anything wrong and he's certainly not below average.

It would b helpful if other folks can chime in if this way of using the stats was appropriate. I just find it weird that somehow the player with less below average categories is labeled below average like it's a fact while a 3 year/4 year now vet has more and is considered "best player on team"

 

Why are you trying to argue with jiggly. It's been established that he doesn't understand statistics. It's questionable if he even understands box score.

 

Guess u right, seeing how he will response to the post will dictate how i will interact with him in the future

I just got triggered at posters pretending to use stats or metrics to sling dog sht at players they don't like while claiming they are big fans.

 

The BBS always needs a whipping boy. Anybody know if this is true of all BB fan boards?

 

CP3 & Stockton have every PG accolade under the sun and never won. CP3 had to come run to Harden just to avoid getting bounced in the playoffs. Had one of the worst collapses I’ve ever personally seen last year partly because CP3 can score at will when needed

Steve Kerr, BJ Armstrong, and Derrick fisher all won rings with MJ & Kobe and they averaged less than 4 assist per game but they were great 3pt shooters

He’s here for at least the remainder of this season so at least give him until the trade deadline

 

You should have seen the Spurs fanbase asking for Pops to get fired at various points in his illustrious career.

 

Fair points, but neither Kerr, nor Armstrong nor Fisher had anywhere near the usage rate and number of shots of KPJ. They knew they weren't "the man" and didn't act that way. So if Green is to become like MJ and Kobe, it would make more sense to have a Tyus Jones type next to him who gets him the ball, defends, hits the occasional three, protects the ball - but doesn't hog it, with a higher usage rate than "the man" himself.

 

I like KPJ a lot. He's very athletic, which you can't teach, and talented. He doesn't need to be traditional point guard. Curry and Kyrie are not traditional point guards nor are they good defenders. No, I'm not comparing his talent level to theirs, only traditional expectations of the position.

I understand the concerns. He's ball dominant, an inefficient iso scorer, and not a plus defender. That kind of player does not lead you to a championship. But we should not expect him to be a franchise player. At least I don't. At the same age Andrew Wiggins was expected to be that player for Minnesota and instead was an inefficient chucker and poor defender with motivation/attitude issues. Now that Wiggins is in GS with a role commensurate with his talent he is none of those things.

KPJ is 22 years old with room to improve on a no risk contract. Even if his ceiling is something like D'Angelo Russell or Andrew Wiggins what do his critics expect us to do? Cut him? Trade him for a pick? Yes, that can happen now, but it can also happen later at a point more advantageous to us. Our best course of action is to develop him while we're in our rebuilding phase and see if he can address some of his weaknesses. Also, try to enjoy the games. The lack of patience some people have is astounding. I see people already complaining about Jabari's limitations and we're four games into his career.

 

This 100%. KPJ needs to gtfo the way!

 

Yes, we shouldn't cut or trade him. But I think it is fair to say it would be nice if the coaches could use his strengths and help him improve his weaknesses. Less dribbling, getting everyone (not just Jalen) involved, overall lower usage rate, more focus on spotting up and being on the receiving end of the ball.

Just like they should help the other players improve. They are very explicit about Alpi's weaknesses, they limit his minutes, they bench him. They do NONE of that with KPJ. It feels like they are enabling him and thereby actually not helping him or the team.

 

The Rockets drafted Green, who is a 2. They have KPJ who is also a 2. They said "Hmmmm neither one of these guys has ever been a PG. Who should we try and make one? KPJ!" The man has had 1 year trying to unlearn everything about a position and then learn an entirely new position. So no he isn't a true 2nd year player, but he might as well be when it comes to being a PG. Plus Silas is doing him no favors.

 

But when the expectation is to become the “best backcourt in the nba” why would he be submissive to a rookie in Jabari that didn’t exactly shoot well. He is probably expected to help carry the scoring load with Jalen by the organization and teammates

It came straight from Jalens mouth last night in “when scoot gets going it makes it easier on me and opens the floor. When we both get going it opens the floor for Jabari”. He is probably instructed to try to score early on to open the floor

I know it’s tough but Sengun got benched boys. The organization is putting out KPJ, Green, and Jabari as our young big 3 and he is probably instructed to shoot the ball no matter how much you hate it

I bet KPJ is told to have 15-20 FGA per game

He did have a couple ignorant plays last night though. I won’t lie

 

Imagine we drafted Banchero, guess what, he would not get 22 pts per game as now, because we have bad PG KPJ and horrible coach Silas.

Banchero is lucky.

 

Whose expectation? It's something KPJ said, I believe. As I said, he is trying to latch on to Jalen. But he is not on his level.

I don't know what "the organization" is doing, but the lineups are constantly changing and we are 4 games into the season, so I am not worried about it. Sengun is too talented to not get the minutes and touches, eventually. Either with this coach, or with a new one.

 

Its really ridiculous to me that on this board you cant say anything about KPJ or how he is playing without people saying youre picking on him. You cant say Silas uses him wrong or that he is in the wrong position or that he has too many isos without people saying you are being mean to him. Im am so tired of people defending their favorite players by acting overly dramatic in response to any logical criticisms. Its getting old.

 

He’s got talent for sure. But his past incidents will always be in my mind. Some say it’s in the past. But for me there’s a bottom line. Driving out during halftime? That’s crossing the bottom line big time. I for one can never forget that.

And the fact that he’s really playing out of position does not help either. So far in this young season he’s got a 5.5/3.3 assists/tos ratio. That’s simply not gonna fly as a starting PG. But that’s on Silas I guess.