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Comic Book Writing Legend Alan Moore: Dems are Conservatives, GOP are Fascists

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  1. fchowd0311

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    Tell the founders. They care about states rights. But I get it that southern conservatives only care about states rights when it comes to keeping slaves or not allowing those black hoodlums into those nice white schools.
     
  2. giddyup

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    Did Obama fill that hero-worshiping role for the Left way back when? I'm sorry but I've not been into comics for more than 50 years so I can't really comment much. Are any of these images proffered by the Trump campaign or were they designed by adults who read comic books?!
     
  3. giddyup

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    Simply not true. Lord!
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    Are you telling me the founders were not adamant about states having their own say in how they regulate their state and local elections?

    Or are you telling me that the two times southern conservatives were the most adamant and vocal about "states rights" was to defend their right to hold slaves and to defend their right to segregate by race is not accurate?
     
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  5. FranchiseBlade

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    Dilbert appeals to the average guy. The other three appeal to extremist.
     
  7. giddyup

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    My exclamation was due to your insertion of the modifier "only." As you said, the EC has been around since the beginning. It protects more than just the people... the land, the resources.
     
  8. giddyup

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    This is the exact story to which I was referring. It sounds like something Trump mumbled under his breath. It wasn't a news conference; it was just something overheard. That's the way people talk. You guys'll build a mountain out of a molehill. Anything to get Trump!

    "Later that month, Eastman warned in a message that Trump had been made aware that “some of the allegations (and evidence proffered by the experts)” in that Georgia filing “has been inaccurate.”

    It sounds like Trump is obliged to agree with the judge's opinion that the numbers were wrong. He's not. He was challenging the accuracy: right or wrong.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    You gaslighting? Seriously?

    What Trump is doing is unprecedented. Former candidates have challenged elections up to a point if there is like one state with a 10 thousand votes difference that determines the entire election.

    This dude is claiming he won an election where he lost by hundreds of thousands of votes just in the swing states. The dude and his legal team literally wanted to dismiss every ballot from literally the most populous Black voting district in the nation.

    He's created a situation now where over a third of any given GOP candidate now in any level of election is claiming that the votes are fraudulent if they lose. He is literature erasing the concept of peaceful transition of power.
     
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    Mumbling under the breath still shows that he was aware that he lost. Trump knew he lost. Saying it quietly doesn't mean it doesn't count. Trump mentioned that he lost. The fact that he didn't acknowledge that in a press conference is part of the problem. That's where the big lie comes in. Trump was told that boxes and supposed mishandling of votes weren't wrong at all and that it was all legit.

    I can't believe you are trying to say that because of the audible level Trump mentioned he lost, it doesn't really show that he knew he lost. It was loud enough and said often enough that multiple people heard it.
     
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  11. giddyup

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    You are just way to literal... when you want to be!

    The 1972 US men's Olympic basketball team were heard to be mumbling something very similar...
     
  12. giddyup

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    He is not obliged to agree with anyone's decision. Personally, I think this is borne of resentment of Trump having to fight for a level playing field on every from. You call this The Big Lie but The Biggest Lie was the fake dossier and all that ensued from that. Where are those consequences?

    I wish that he had handled this differently and his attempt does not have my personal support, but the system is handling all of it.

    When do we turn the focus onto the wrong done him? :)
     
  13. Xopher

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    3 year Durham investigation resulted in :::checks notes::: not a ****ing thing.
     
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  14. FranchiseBlade

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    You can clarify why we shouldn't believe that Trump knew he had lost the election even though he said it loud enough and frequently enough to be heard a number of staffers. I am willing to listen to any thoughts you have. The one you provided was mumbling. If you weren't speaking in literal terms, I apologize and don't have any idea what you meant.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    The Dossier by definition doesn't claim anything is fact. So it can't be a lie. The Dossier was not needed to investigate Trump. It was determined that the investigation was in fact warranted.

    The system might be handling it. We haven't seen the final results, yet. It was close to not handling it and there were many willing to try and prevent the system from handling it. Many of the GOP candidates now are running on a platform to try and make sure the system doesn't handle it. Lake and others have already said that they won't accept results that are different than them winning as legitimate.

    They have looked at all of the audits, all of the lost court cases, all of the recounts by hand, and decided that despite that, they will still not accept the results of the 2020 election and are in favor of not certifying the lawful electors.
     
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    Isn't that story that she overheard him saying it to no one in particular while watching Biden on television? It's not like he made an announcement or a confession as you would prefer to call it.
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    There were two separate incidents. The one you seem to be referring to is that when watching Biden on TV after the election, he said he was upset about losing to that guy. That isn't something a person would say if thought he'd won.

    The second incident was a conversation with his chief of staff. Trump told Meadows that he didn't want people to know that he had lost because it was embarrassing. Then Trump told Meadows to figure it out.
     
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  18. giddyup

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    I think that kind of mumbling is very normal and not to be taken literally as some kind of a confession. That IS the way people talk when they are feeling sorry for themself.

    I'm not here to defend Trump at every turn. I don't support his still insistence that he won. I think he was defeated.... by many forces... but I am still puzzled by the disconnect between Biden's lifeless campaign and his record-setting vote count.

    IF some of you weren't so invested in it, you'd be wondering too.

    So were those screens set by Malone for Stockton legal or moving?!?
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    What? When people feel sorry for themselves, they talk about how they lost and don't want to tell anyone that they lost because it's embarrassing and order their chief of staff to take care of it? Add to that the fact that his own AG investigated and determined there were no fake mail in ballots or fraudulent ballots submitted in multiple areas. His own Department of Homeland security informed him of the same thing. Lawyers, Attorney General, and his own department head as well as those in various states all told him that he lost legitimately.

    What you are saying about feeling sorry for himself only makes sense if the reason they were feeling sorry for themselves was because they lost. You are going so far out of the way to try and make up an explanation for why he would say that when the simplest explanation is that he said it multiple times because he knew that he lost the election.

    Also please note that Trump has never made the claim that he said it because he was feeling sorry for himself so he decided to say things and give orders to his chief of staff based on stuff he didn't believe to be true. Only you have put forward that idea. It is a far fetched idea that makes little sense. It certainly makes less sense than the simple fact that he knew he lost and didn't want to admit it.
     
  20. Amiga

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    Poor liberal. Where does that leave the liberal?
     

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