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Comic Book Writing Legend Alan Moore: Dems are Conservatives, GOP are Fascists

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  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Trump knew for a fact that he lost the election and said so to people in his administration.

    That is backed by emails and sworn testimony.
     
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    Non-citizens can not vote so your first paragraph makes no sense. Democrats are not trying to invalidate people's ballots or blocking people from voting - this is what the GOP has resorted to to try to win.

    Your second paragraph - even Republicans have called it an attempted coup - so you can argue with them why invading the capital building and hunting for Congressmen is not a big deal. You lose a lot of credibility when you label that as a "protest"
     
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    Just so you know he is going to think he has a gotcha because immigrants can vote....


    In non federal elections and this has been a thing for over a century in various local and state level elections.
     
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    Which state allows non citizens to vote in federal or state elections?
     
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    I think it is just local elections. The only thing the constitution regulates is who can vote for federal elections. If a state wants immigrants to vote for state level elections, that is still constitutional.
     
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    im just going to leave these here...
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    This.... it's pretty hard to argue against this current GOP diving head first into fascism.
     
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    The screams of thousands of right wingers online shouting "Libtards call everything fascist!" is just empty and hollow at this point. Only idiots are fooled by that type of rhetoric.

    If we can't call these trans fascist movements then I don't know what can be called fascist like at this point. The Trump aisle of the GOP is knee deep in fascist rhetoric.
     
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    I would like to see Trump try to lift a gun like that and then try to fire it while mainting standing. I would also like to see him try to balance on a tank like that.
     
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    I'd like to see if he can touch his own feet standing up first.
     
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    Yes some cities are allowing immigrants, who can prove residency, in municipal elections. Yes they cannot vote for elections for federal offices and I'm not aware of any state allowing immigrants to vote for statewide offices like governor or AG.

    Also just to note since it was brought up but objections to certification in the 2017 election was shut down and the election certified by then Vice President Joe Biden. Kind of hard to argue that what Republicans are doing is same when Biden himself certified Trump's election and shut down protests to it.


    Al Gore did the same thing in 2001 sealing his own defeat.
     
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    Since it has been going on for a long time, it's not just about any single election. In fact, the border problem has exploded since Biden took over. Do you really doubt that that is mostly about future voters?

    "House Judiciary Committee Democrats voted to strike language from an amendment to H.R. 8770 making it clear that non-citizens are ineligible to vote in American elections."

    Opponents of Trump come in all stripes. The FBI calls them DVEs (Domestic Violent Extremists). Hunting.... with what ... an iPhone camera? Don't the Capitol police routinely carry weapons? IIRC, only a handful of these protesters did. I don't think that anyone even fired a round except the CP that shot the woman.

    That doesn't make the mob sound very prepared to overthrow the US government (coup).
     
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    It's not about a "gotcha." It's about the long play to grant such an undeserved privilege in the coming years.
     
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    Non citizens voting in local elections around the country has been a thing for a long time dude.
     
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    Is "American" the same as "federal"?
    Or is that a word a GOP staffer wrote in the amendment to be coy and try to use it as a way to change the status quo and make it illegal for local elections since local elections in America are still "American". Not using the word "federal" here tells me something.

    So not outrageous when they voted "no" to something that would change the status quo.
     
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    When? The news I've read announces that he "admitted" that in April of 2022. I'd like to see your sources on that. Most of what I read seem to be instances of him muttering under his breath."
     
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    "According to the text of the Democrats’ “amendment to the amendment,” the language to be struck from the legislation reads “nothing in this section may be construed to permit any noncitizens to vote in a Federal election, or to encourage or require a State or political subdivision to permit any noncitizen to vote in a State or local election.”
     
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    So back to the subject at hand.

    Alan Moore's criticism of American fascism is much more deeply rooted than denying voting results. What do you think of his thoughts on the right's hero worshiping, finding simple child like solutions to solve crime(Moar Cop!). I mean that's his central premise with most of his work. The obsession over finding the ubermensch hero who beats the **** out of criminals is a central fascist thought. He sees a lot of this in the modern American right. Very clearly defined black and white morality with no grey, simple easily digestible solutions to complex issues like crime (the good ole Daemon Targaryen way) so on and so forth.
     
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    Fine. That's not what I'm concerned about.... although I think that is ridiculous too!
     
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    What does "encourage or require non-citizens to vote in a state or local election"? I'm pretty sure it was struct down because of the later than the former phrase. Mainly because it's vague enough to possibly make it illegal for local municipalities to allow immigrants to vote.
     

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