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The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. Major

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    UK economic system is on the precipice of collapse. Brexit is going as expected.
     
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    It’s so weird, we used to get daily victory laps from @MojoMan.

    Receipts are here now and surprise surprise, no reflection on how terrible an idea Brexit was.
     
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    well it looks like Lizzy didn't even last one more month. What a mess this lesser Britain is turning into. How long will Scotland stay within the union?
     
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    she lasted almost 4 Scaramuccis
     
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    You all mock the UK but there's a beauty in the fact that if the leader of the party is unpopular, the party is willing to just throw them out immediately. Instead, fixed terms in the US means that unpopular leaders have time to just mold the party around them. There are so many losers in Washington and state capitals that can just hang on forever thanks to fixed terms and short memories.
     
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    I don't think people are mocking the parliamentary system, rather the total, predictable collapse of the British economy after they did a series of moronic things.
     
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    Truss Fall

    Lettuce wins
     
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    Wut?
     
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    Yes that’s a good point but I would also offer a counter that this creates a lack of stability when the direction of the government is changing or that they can’t last long enough to make structural a changes and instead entrenched bureaucracies just go on.

    One of the biggest criticisms of Is politics is shorty term thinking but with a parliamentary system that reinforces short term thinking if a Pm and government knows they can be voted out anytime. Given how complex and difficult getting major legislation passed the fear of the government collapsing could hamstring things. Consider how difficult Theresa May had with Brexit because she had to keep the DUP in her coalition. It’s possible if Cameron had a fixed term and wasn’t worried about the anti-EU faction in his majority he wouldn’t have bothered with calling for a vote in Brexit to begin with.

    A term for an executive leader still give some stability even when they are faced with an opposition legislature. For most of our recent presidencies they’ve lost legislative majorities early in their terms but still have managed to be effective. That has given the US some more stability than several parliamentary systems.
     
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    The issue with coalitions is a problem with first past the post within the parliamentary system. As traditional two party systems fail, this becomes more of a problem. Canada is having the same issue right now (although without the instability around party leadership). The solution to that (in my opinion) is the Australian instant runoff system which allows for a transferrable vote in an instant runoff. That generally helps consolidate support around the Liberal/National Coalition and the Labor Party so they generally end up with a two party system in the House of Representatives.

    The other problem is the whacky system of replacing party leaders after resignation. This has been my biggest problem with the parliamentary system for ages. But I do think the UK's example is a particularly bad one and other countries (like Australia) have had similar examples but have not had the disastrous results that the UK has with theirs. The previous LNC government in Australia also had three PMs (Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison) but nothing earthshattering happened as a result. So while this is a problem, it seems like when compared to the other countries in the CANZUK grouping (Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK), the UK's issues are quite unique and not representative of the rest.
     
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    Democrats should close the last 2 weeks of their campaigns running ONLY this ad and tying each GOP candidate to this economic agenda.
     
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    I don't know exactly how Israel's system fits into these other ones in terms of the details, but that has to be the worst. Elections every few months because no one can hold a government together.
     

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