Barack Obama says Democrats need to avoid being a 'buzzkill'

A fact?

How can you quantify that?

Its certainly not exit polling because people stopped telling the truth when polled.

Hope and Change was only a good message because of the person who was saying it and even Obama had a plan for that Hope and Change.

It also worked because of the previous President who had 8 years.

I have heard plenty of Democrats campaigning on your exact message, and Biden is currently using that exact message.

Is it his fault you and others seem to ignore it?

So Democrats are doing all of this stuff you want and you still think they have a messaging problem.

 

Here's two examples of Democrat messaging problme and what I think Obama is getting at:
"REFORM POLICE!" is a good message and one that many can get by. Many of the proposals put out about taking on LE Unions and better screening of LEO is reform and not defund. When George Floyd was killed though you had a lot of activists claim that REFORM wasn't enough and that "DEFUND" was needed. The problem with that was that there was no widespread agreement on what that meant. Among the 9 Minneapolis Council members who stood on big letters that said "DEFUND THE POLICE" in June 2020 apparently there were 8 different opinions about what that actually meant. So what happened is it took them a year and half to make a confusing referendum that not even the city where George Floyd was killed in and that bore the brunt of the fury after his death agreed to it.

If a very liberal city like Minneapolis wasn't going to vote against a Defund bill it's very unlikely that places much more conservative woudl and it was going to be inevitable that Republicans would seize upon that to campaign against Democrats.

The other big message recently from Democrats is "BUILD BACK BETTER" as a slogan this is vague and there was a lot of disagreement about what it meant exactly. Many in Congress had starkly different views and more importantly budget figures on what that means. While the proposed Build Back Better Bill (that's a lot of B's) didn't get passed much of what was in it did. As such while Republicans did try to use it for political attack they ended up dropping it as a line of attack, some ended up voting for those provisions and even some who didn't vote for it are running on projects from it. The Democrats successfully defined what it meant and got much of it implemented. What seems odd to me is that they aren't running on it now when this could be the most successful message out of the Biden Presidency.

 

Polling shows crime as a major issue. If you don't believe the polls then there really isn't a basis of discussion since you won't accept that data.

As I said if I was an expert on this or could come up with a great message I wouldn't be debating it here but actually earning a living doing it.

That said from what I've seen I've not seen Democrats pushing that message as a whole that much. Biden is and as it happens one polls shows he's at close to his highest approval ratings.
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-sees-highest-approval-over-year-under-month-midterm-1752178

In most polling is showing that Democrats are slipping in their appeal from highs they had a month ago. You can reject those polls and say they are doing just fine. You can also reject the response provided here but in that case there really isn't anything to debate or discuss.

 

I think it's pretty reasonable, considering the fact that our democracy is literally on the ballot. There are people running who support thar cause, and I think it's utterly insane to think they won't try it again. If the death of free and fair elections is something you want, then I guess it's reasonable to prioritize other things.

 

One problem with Democrat's messaging.

 

I disagree. Lock the doors and have some police presence, then the crazy folks wont make it near the capitol. Nothing like that will ever happen again. They were dumb to think going there was going to change anything anyway.
In fact, i think we can improve our free and fair elections. If we can disrupt asteroid flight paths, we can track votes and make sure people only vote once where they are supposed to.

 

The video from 8/14/2019 which is referred to in the video above

 

Yup. I remember posting this in 2019 also:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u...d-during-the-2008-financial-crisis-2019-06-19

 

You aren't reading what people type. I don't know if you do it on purpose at this point.


The problem people fear isn't more individual riots. The fear is more and more GOP politicians not accepting results of obvious election results even when they loose by obvious margins. It's the dwindling spiral downward into more and more people just refusing to concede and threatening our long standing tradition of peaceful transition of power effectively making our voting system irrelevant.

 

I never said I don't believe crime is a major issue, I have no idea what that has to do with anything.

Why did you ignore all the ads I showed you, messaging the exact stuff you wanted to message?

Polls go up and down my entire issue is you and others blaming Democrats for messaging and then ignoring all the messaging Democrats are actually doing.

How about we throw a little blame at democrats who don't do a little digging and find out what's happening, or blame them for ignoring the messages that are readily available.

You watch MSNBC and I know you see plenty of messaging and Democrats talking about exactly this because I see them almost every day.

Democrats are supposed to be the smart ones but now we need a simple message repeated daily even when we see all the ****ery Republicans are doing?

Really?

 

Democrats are not talking about the things which can SWING voters. They aren't talking about inflation. They aren't talking about Trump's tariffs creating this shitshow and the pandemic merely delaying and exacerbating it. They are focused on the wrong ****.

 

There isn't really any evidence that people are voting more than once, but I think you know that. Meanwhile, there are new laws popping up everywhere that inhibit certain people from voting. Abbott tried to retroactively make my vote null and void last time, luckily he failed. There are people running for all sorts of offices all around the country that would not accept defeat, they've admitted as much, and I think you know that, too.

Go Stros.

 

I'm not ignoring what you posted and as I said Biden is pushing the message that I talked about and so are many other Democrats. Democrats aren't dead and it's tellign they are doing as well as they are when so much is going against Democrats.

I get your frustration about it and honestly don't know how to give you a better answer. As sad as it is and what it says about our politics is that Republicans are much more succesful with simple messages many about grievance and those type of messages have an appeal among much of the electorate.

For those of us who are concerned about issues like the longterm health of the Constitutional Republic I would like to see Democrats winning at every level and taking as many races as they can. It's not because I agree with everything Democrats stand for or certainly every Democrat but that right now the other party is pushing things that are undermining it.

if that takes finding a simple message for low interest voters I'm for it. This election is way too close that any votes can be taken for granted.

 

Well said. There's a point where intellectual honesty has to be called into question, versus the usual subconscious dishonesty. That point is easier to read in person than online, at least for me.

 

Sorry but this is BS, Democrats are not just throwing there hands up in the air and there is no platform that would allow Democrats to explain anything this in depth. and the people who would actually understand an explanation already don't blame Democrats.

This guy acts like there are large number of persuadable voters who would watch something like this.

Can you tell me what platform you think this would work on, and who is the audience?

The Democratic Party has talked about this.

This guy is not really explaining anything, he is placing blame, and nobody who is blaming Democrats wants to know what is happening exactly.

Hell i'm smarter than most and i still don't understand why recessions are supposed to scare most people it usually means lower prices, if people are not losing their jobs why all the tumult?

Here is an actual economist, and even he can't really explain what is going on but Democrats are supposed to do it in a what 30 second spot?



The bottom line is if anybody can't see everything the Democrats have done the past year and want to vote Republican because of inflation can't be persuaded by any messaging, hell you still got actual Democrats who are still b****ing about the party.

 

I appreciate you not taking it personally, it just chaps my hide when I hear messaging being brought up the Republicans do enough negative messaging that the Democrats should not need to do anything.

I don't want the Democratic Party to dumb itself down and appeal to angry voters, that's what happened to the Republican Party when they sold out to the tea party.

 

This is true.

This article goes into that: https://www.levernews.com/dems-barely-messaging-on-economic-issues/

Dems are focusing on abortion, Reps are focusing on crime. Most people are focusing on the economy. Both parties are avoiding talking about the thing that people actually care most about.

This article goes into it as well: https://jacobin.com/2022/10/democrats-midterms-abortion-inflation-economy-populism

 

Democrats do have adds focusing on jobs and higher wage growth.

Biden has been talking about it for a month.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...llowing-latest-report-showing-more-job-growth

 

Easy. "Trump's tariffs started inflation. His mishandling of the pandemic exacerbated it. Corporate profits are at highs not seen since the 1950s." Show some charts. Flash some **** on the screen. Add current unemployment numbers under Biden...fade to black. Ad done.

 

I'll just point out that "defund the police" is why the DFL didn't win back the State Senate in 2020 which ironically meant that Republicans could continue to block all police reform. A bunch of suburban voters who were nowhere near the riots in Minneapolis got spooked and voted Republican on an issue that had no impact on them.

Democrats are awful at messaging. They've got to take a cue from Republicans and find some communications professionals with focus groups to come up with slogans instead of going with whatever organically sounds good at the time. Because Dems will pay for that stupid phrase for years to come as a result. Dems need to take a cue from Joe Manchin who got the Dems to call a huge spending bill the "inflation reduction act." How you name and position things matter.