Barack Obama says Democrats need to avoid being a 'buzzkill'

My bar for politicians is low, I think we will see a red wave and all the people who wants this type of politician will get there way..........I never hear one person explain how they will fix the issues, its just poo flinging on a national level and nothing will really get done and we will be back in this boat in 2 more years, more poo flinging and little to no results. I am ready for someone to stand up and show us HOW they will fix all these atrocities that are bestowed upon us by the evil left . Its almost depressing, nothing ever gets done on the real issues that concern everyone, both sides want a real solution on the border and crime, but they spend so much time telling us the other side is wrong but they never tell us how they will fix it, and stop with all the lies in the ads, I have tuned out every ad on TV, there beyond disingenuous and are tilting to nothing more then lies on top of lies

I am very excited about things like the infrastructure bill and all the good things Joe has done, but it seems like the country is so divided that people don't talk about solutions, they just bash us over the head with negativity over the other side.................as one of my "former" friends who is a trump supporter said to me, "Your either with us, or against us and there is no middle ground", in a nut shell that's what politics have become, if you have a different take then the party your ousted, just like Adam Kinziger who I respect or Liz Cheney. Candidates are not allowed to have there own beliefs or risk getting excommunicated .........

 

And that’s a personal opinion you can have. It won’t win elections and will mean that Republicans who you agree with even less than most Democrats will take office and push many things you might like less.

I just brought this up in another thread. Minneapolis is very liberal and first public use by politicians of “Defund the Police” was here. Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey , who is very liberal, said he wasn’t going to defund the police and he was roundly booed for it. Here you can see it at a rally where speakers where literally saying that “we don’t want police”


A year and a half later Frey wins re-election and several of the City Councilors who publicly stood in a park with “Defund the Police” are out of office and a referendum based off of that was soundly defeated by the citizens of the city.

Yes you can certainly say that you don’t support Biden and other Democrats pushing for more LEO. That has a political cost and most Democratic leaders aren’t willing to pay that cost.

 

So when Abrams and Hilary cried foul, it was ok?

 

It's not common for someone who is struggling to pay their bills to be concerned with the erosion of democracy. In fact, the two kind of go hand-in-hand.

 

Absolutely. Hillary didn't question the voting process. She conceded the night of the election. She believes Donald Trump was a benefit of a foreign country helping his campaign by doing things like creating troll farms and spamming propaganda on American social media platforms disgusued as American citizens. That has absolutely nothing to do with believing millions of votes are fake news.


Like Hillary Clinton wasn't trying to convince the courts to dismiss ALL ballots from GOP stronghold district with the most populous GOP population in the country. Donald Trump's campaign was literally trying to tell Americans and our court system that the most populous Black voting district in the country's thousands upon thousands of votes are all fraudulent. Hillary Clinton wasn't trying to violate the constitutional rights of millions of Americans by trying to dismiss their vote.


Look we all know here that when context is applied to your vague assertions like "But Hillary" you don't have any footing.

A third of Democrat candidates in primaries, state elections, federal elections etc aren't going to predetermine that the votes are fake news and tell their voters that they won't accept election results because they think the votes are going to be fake news.

 

Oh I agree. The socioeconomic conditions of day to day living for most Americans are going to be the more important but any informed citizen will tell you that in the long run that erosion in trust in our democratic process is a massive concern that can end a nation.

And also worsening socioeconomic conditions like increased wealth inequality will also increase diststrust.

 

On the continuum of election whining these things are quite dissimilar.

Abrams - Legitimate, productive, civil, righteous
Clinton - Ambiguous, questionable, mostly counter-productive and self-serving
Trump - Completely illegitimate, actively harmful, ill-intentioned, wholly self-serving

 

"I firmly believe that, despite my many disagreements with platforms of the Republican party, it poses far less of a threat than Democrats."

Best to side with the party that is no longer willing to lose an election I guess.

 

Hillary Clinton conceded the election the next morning. Abrams didn't concede but didn't lead a march on GA's capitol and ask for her supporters to "fight like hell" to overturn her election.

 

Also Abrams isn't claiming that millions of votes are fake news. Her claims are far more nuanced and grounded in reality. Her claims about access to voting and how the Georgia GOP over the past multiple decades have used tactics like "use it don't lose" voter roll purges has nothing to do with fake votes.

 

Lol her bio literally says "I'm a classical liberal". There isn't a single human on this planet who says that and was some democrat before and turned republican. Every person who says that always has been libertarian/conservative.

She was never a liberal in the sense America uses the term "liberal".

 

Classical liberal is usually a reference to the British and Australian definition which is a right of center political philosophy that has its origins in anti-monarchist policy along with "liberal" ideals around rights and trade. But in terms of modern philosophy, its a center right party. In fact, the "liberal" legacy lives in on both countries. In Australia, the main center right party is still called the "Liberal Party" while in the UK, the liberal legacy lives on with the Liberal Democrats (who are more of a third way party that leans to the right on economics and especially free trade. The Lib Dems were the most pro-EU country in the UK on free trade grounds).

But that term is just a fancy way of saying that they're a traditionally right of center on economics. The term liberal in the US has no tie whatsoever to the British meaning.

 

I keep hearing the GOP screaming INFLATION! The Democrats are causing inflation! Not once have I heard what they are actually going to do to combat inflation.

 

Exactly. But a lot of American conservatives/libertarians want to gaslight and create these easily debunkable narratives like the "Democrat party used to be the real "liberal party" and now they aren't and as a ideologically consistent classical liberal I must now vote for the GOP" shtick so many online grifters use. There is a whole YouTube ecosystem of this type of content. Remember that entire "#walkaway" movement. Ya it's an entire grifting empire now.

 

Yep. The highest profit margins since the 1950s. Yet I still see no GOP plan to curtail inflation. Only screaming

 

Just like trump was going to show us his health care plan...............and then never did, talk the talk but cant walk the walk

 

Hilary did concede, but continues to b!tch that trump cheated and she should be prez. She even told biden not to concede under any circumstance should he of lost. Abrams fat ass, like trumps fat ass, ain't marching anywhere except to the buffet line.
This issue is not as pressing to the american people as inflation and crime.

 

Hillary didn't question the voting process. She conceded the night of the election. She believes Donald Trump was a benefit of a foreign country helping his campaign by doing things like creating troll farms and spamming propaganda on American social media platforms disgusued as American citizens. That has absolutely nothing to do with believing millions of votes are fake news.


Like Hillary Clinton wasn't trying to convince the courts to dismiss ALL ballots from GOP stronghold district with the most populous GOP population in the country. Donald Trump's campaign was literally trying to tell Americans and our court system that the most populous Black voting district in the country's thousands upon thousands of votes are all fraudulent. Hillary Clinton wasn't trying to violate the constitutional rights of millions of Americans by trying to dismiss their vote.


Look we all know here that when context is applied to your vague assertions like "But Hillary" you don't have any footing.

A third of Democrat candidates in primaries, state elections, federal elections etc aren't going to predetermine that the votes are fake news and tell their voters that they won't accept election results because they think the votes are going to be fake news.