Just shows the cognitive dissonance of some of you on the left. It's like someone telling you about having cancer and you then starting to whine about having a cold in response. I have a lady friend from Afghanistan who now lives in the US. Try telling her you would hate to be her in the US.
You are twisting our point once again. This country is far better than Afghanistan for women. Far better. That being said, we have a long way to go when it comes to gender and racial equality. There are many countries in the western world that treat women more as equals than us. Many! Why haven't we ever had a woman President? Why do men make more doing the same exact job in so many occupations? Why is the GOP predominantly white men or redneck gun toting undereducated women? What are the odds of that woman from Afghanistan being being racially targeted in a predominantly white rural town in a red state? What if she goes to the local diner with a burqa? Will she be greeted with suspicion and an unfriendly eye, or a smile and a good morning ma'am? Be honest.
She doesn't wear a burqa. She is free in this country. Which countries do you think are far better for women than the USA?
Women wear burqas by choice in our country, and if she has strong faith she can choose to wear that burqa in a diner. How do you think she will be greeted in that situation in a predominantly white rural town in a red state of the south? I think she could be verbally or even physically targeted by racists in one of those towns. As for the gender equality and countries where women are treated better, it's not my opinion. It's a well known fact that we have much room to improve. These countries have the most gender equality... Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Canada, Belgium, France, Australia, Switzerland, United Kingdom, New Zealand, Austria, Germany, Ireland, and Luxembourg. US. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/gender-equality Top countries for women... Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, Canada, New Zealand, Netherlands, Australia, Germany, Belgium, Austria, United Kingdom, Ireland, France, Luxembourg, Italy, Spain, US. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-women As far as female leaders, since 2010 there have been at least 14 women leaders in countries around the world every year. The US is not one of them. We haven't had a woman lead this country in 233 years. It's been 45 out of 46 white men ruling this country. https://www.statista.com/statistics...-highest-position-executive-power-since-1960/
Having been to all of these countries except NZ and having lived in several of them, I would say that the whole western world is similar with regard to women's rights. No big difference. But to a place like Afghanistan, it's a MASSIVE difference compared to each of them. P.S.: Nobody wears a burqa freely. If they think so, it's because they were brainwashed.
Oh for sure man! It is just so fascinating too. Debating about the crusades vs modern terrorism. woohooooo
Dude... these laws just passed and Roe was overturned THIS YEAR. It's impossible to say what Red State US is and what it is going to be for women's rights at this point because these anti-womens rights laws are just now coming into affect, and there has been a pro-women's rights executive branch and Congress in power that might not have power in the near future. So like take everything into account please. Yes, women have had more rights THAN AFGHANISTAN here in the past, but trends do matter, and law changes do matter. The Trump GOP is pretty open about what they are going to do with the power they have. To not take ANY of that into account when you compare us to the rest of the Western world is pretty insane. We are trending in the wrong direction, and the most important thing to note is that the party eyeing to take power has much more in-line with the Taliban than it does with a pro-women's rights Western Democracy like Finland, Germany, Canada, or Sweden. You cannot whitewash that dude.
Utterly hyperbolic, hysterical and ridiculous. (and I agree with you on abortion - but that single issue does not make a country or party comparable to the Taliban regime - educate yourself)
I was raised in the Evangelical Christian church. I think I can say based on my childhood that ideologically, the Evangelical Christian ideologically is more in line with the Taliban than it is with Western Liberal Society. Yes, these folks are mostly hypocrites, but so are many in the Middle East/Islam as well. Especially the men of privilege. Again, I'm speaking towards the ideology. Not necessarily the daily lives and how they differ... again mostly because of privilege. If you don't believe me go to Dubai where Islam is also very prevalent, but the folks there have a ton of privilege, and live more like Christian Evangelicals from the Woodlands. The money/privilege I think often exacerbates the hypocrisy. But ideologically I can speak from experience, the laws they want to enact are pretty freaking scary, and not as far removed from what you'd see the Taliban enforce as you'd think. When you take away the Cadillac and the 5,000 square foot home, they aren't all that different from each other.
I know what you mean, fair enough. In practice, I think the differences are still massive, but I understand how being raised in the Evangelical Christian church might have been traumatizing. I met some of these folks. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...ting-victims-confronting-leaders-17251536.php
When I was 10 years old, I was put in a circle and forced to "speak in tongues" at a private Christian school in the Houston area. Yes... I was traumatized for sure. The biggest issue though is the very aggressive at any cost drive to have the church run government. Not only are they extreme, but they are very motivated to take over government, and enforce their religion on the nation. The scary thing is the means to which they will go to get what they want. If you would have told me 10 years ago that they would literally hitch their wagon to Donald Trump, and give him the green light to pursue a violent coup to overturn Democracy just so they could re-write our laws in their ideology, I would have said that's crazy. So it's just an interesting time to take a step back and realize what is happening with the drunk on power grab with the Christian Right. America would be smart to not take them seriously at this point. If we end up just overreacting then that's an outcome I think we should be comfortable accepting the outcome of. These folks should not be given the keys to the country to rewrite our laws in their image and beliefs.
I'd say your opinion as a man might just be a bit skewed as to why those countries rate higher for many reasons. Like I said, in 233 years this country has been run by men. Out of the millions of brilliant women in this country our top candidates in 2020 were Biden and Trump. Think about that. When it comes to equality in other areas we aren't the same either. Women have more benefits, especially when it comes to maternity leave, healthcare for themselves and their child, and equality in employment. Your opinion on religion for those who practice their faith in this country is one of a bigot. What religion people choose to practice is their choice, and brainwashed is an opinion, but not a fact. Many find peace, love, and comfort in their faith. You never answered my question about that woman in a diner I see. I think you know the answer. Guys like you would call her brainwashed or worse, especially in rural redneck white American towns.
Please ask yourself if you would say exactly the same thing about the evangelicals @dobro1229 is correctly describing in his posts. Don't they also "find peace, love and comfort in their faith"? If not, ask yourself why you would be more tolerant towards conservative Islamists than towards evangelical Christians, when the former are actually much harsher towards women, gays and other minorities. There really is some cognitive dissonance there. I'm a bigot when I speak up against discrimination of women and gays which is much harsher, but you are virtuous because you are defending those whose ideology is behind that discrimination. Okay.
I doubt you went to be perceived as illiterate so I'm assuming it's just bad faith interpretation of what people reply to. It's very simple. No liberal here is found of Islamic culture. It's draconian. But when it comes to social issues and politics, people are going to discuss things that effect them more. And the reality is if you are an American citizen and are worried about religious theocracy creeping into government, you are more rationally concerned about Christians than Muslims. It's that simple and it's a point that never gets to you. Not once after you've made the claim that liberals support Islam have you quoted a poster defending Islamic principles or Islamic misogyny but rather you confusing prioritization anti -immigration rhetoric as being pro Islam or "light on Islam". By the way this thread that concentrates on the horrors Afghan women face against Islamic theocracy is a liberal you hate.
I want to be clear though that don't see that one is more or less tolerant. I see that one has more or less to lose in their socio-economical sphere of privilege. I want to be clear on that. Christian Nationalist people should not get a pass because they are more hypocritical because they have more to lose. Both ideologies stem from the same religious text in reality that provides the guidelines that the ideological bigotry is drawn. The Christian religion was helped into modern social constructs by Martin Luther, the Roman Catholic Church, and those who wrote the new King James Bibles. That has helped especially in the 20th and 21st century... .BUT the modern American Christian Nationalist political movement has gone PRE MARTIN LUTHER in their intolerance, and hard line ideology. What has happened since 2008 starting with the Tea Party, and then into MAGA is something new entirely. It's not the Christian religion even I grew up in. It's a Fascist movement that uses religion to impose their will on others instead of using faith to provide values they can live a life that makes them feel better about themselves by. The only thing that separates this movement from the Taliban is the 5,000 square foot homes vs living in dilapidated buildings with no clean water, and electricity. We don't need to be giving Christian Nationalist MAGA folks a pass because they are more hypocritical, and have more to lose in their privilege. It almost makes them worse.
We already have Christian nationalists try their damnest to turn into militant militias even under a comfortable economically stable life style. Imagine what would happen if we threw that stability away under their feet?
Agree to disagree with that. This is the common theme from the left about "socio-economic factors". The truth, however, is that "socio-economic factors" do not suffice to explain away stoning, murder and many of the other atrocities committed in the name of the ideology of Islam. Even the most hardcore Evangelical Christians, as much as I disagree with them, do not do these things or want to do these things.
