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  1. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Don't know what is worse. Russian bots or people who repost what they write.
     
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    That's potentially big news. Israel has cutting edge military technology, much of it developed in concert with the US. What they send and how much of it is what matters, of course. Something to keep an eye on.
     
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    It kind of is. Russia courting Iran is geopolitically and strategically stupid on the world stage. A country like Israel would love nothing more than to proxy war with Iran. People forget the first thing Iran would do if they had a viable nuclear weapon would be to point it right at Jerusalem. Israel knows they are target #1 for Iran.

    This, my friends, is how world wars are started. You just cannot avoid how much we are intertwined as countries. And pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal was by far one of the dumbest things Trump ever did.
     
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    Kiev 5-0 on the job, downing Shaheeds with rifles. The popular nickname for the Shaheed is "moped" because they have ridiculously noisy engines that remind people of the sound of a 2-stroke moped engine.

     
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    Mobilized soldiers from Tver are provided with top quality body armor

    ...made of plastic designed for Airsoft to protect from paintballs. Totally prepared for the paintball match with Ukraine!

     
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    Is Ukraine fighting Russia or Hamas?
     
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    Musk serving as Putin's useful idiot, using the same playbook he used with Trump.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/10/17/fiona-hill-putin-war-00061894



    Reynolds: We’ve recently had Elon Musk step into this conflict trying to promote discussion of peace settlements. What do you make of the role that he’s playing?

    Hill: It’s very clear that Elon Musk is transmitting a message for Putin. There was a conference in Aspen in late September when Musk offered a version of what was in his tweet — including the recognition of Crimea as Russian because it’s been mostly Russian since the 1780s — and the suggestion that the Ukrainian regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia should be up for negotiation, because there should be guaranteed water supplies to Crimea. He made this suggestion before Putin’s annexation of those two territories on September 30. It was a very specific reference. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia essentially control all the water supplies to Crimea. Crimea is a dry peninsula. It has aquifers, but it doesn’t have rivers. It’s dependent on water from the Dnipro River that flows through a canal from Kherson. It’s unlikely Elon Musk knows about this himself. The reference to water is so specific that this clearly is a message from Putin.

    Now, there are several reasons why Musk’s intervention is interesting and significant. First of all, Putin does this frequently. He uses prominent people as intermediaries to feel out the general political environment, to basically test how people are going to react to ideas. Henry Kissinger, for example, has had interactions with Putin directly and relayed messages. Putin often uses various trusted intermediaries including all kinds of businesspeople. I had intermediaries sent to discuss things with me while I was in government.

    This is a classic Putin play. It’s just fascinating, of course, that it’s Elon Musk in this instance, because obviously Elon Musk has a huge Twitter following. He’s got a longstanding reputation in Russia through Tesla, the SpaceX space programs and also through Starlink. He’s one of the most popular men in opinion polls in Russia. At the same time, he’s played a very important part in supporting Ukraine by providing Starlink internet systems to Ukraine, and kept telecommunications going in Ukraine, paid for in part by the U.S. government. Elon Musk has enormous leverage as well as incredible prominence. Putin plays the egos of big men, gives them a sense that they can play a role. But in reality, they’re just direct transmitters of messages from Vladimir Putin.

    Reynolds: Putin is very comfortable dealing with billionaires and oligarchs. That’s a world that he knows well. But by using Musk this way, he goes right over the heads of [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian government.

    Hill: He is basically short-circuiting the diplomatic process. He wants to lay out his terms and see how many people are going to pick them up. All of this is an effort to get Americans to take themselves out of the war and hand over Ukraine and Ukrainian territory to Russia.
     
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    Pizdec!



    A military plane crashed into a residential building in Yeysk.
    Does karma really exist?

    P.S: There is an interesting version that this plane was piloted by a mobilized Tajik who received Veishnoria citizenship

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    The Su-34 pilot who ejected from the plane
     
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    Surprised he knew how to eject. Maybe that's the one thing they taught him?
     
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    Mashallah

    Some of that woke sensitivity training could have avoided this...
     
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    SU-34 has a two seat tandem cockpit, but there's only 1 parachute, so I guess someone wasn't paying attention in class that day.
     
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    Ukranian military dogs get better kit provided for them by their government than do Russian mobiks.

     
  16. Space Ghost

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    Do you approve of the US taking better care of Ukrainian war dogs than its own people?
     
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    I approve of killing z-Nazis, deterring naked aggression, and protecting the rule of law. That is a benefit for everybody in the world beyond mere price and absolutely 100% in line with US security interests.

    And I'm pretty sure a few sets of kit for dogs isn't going to make an appreciable dent in the national debt. Assuming we supplied them, they would have been pulled from existing stocks that had already been paid for and were sitting on a shelf in a warehouse somewhere.
     
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    Republicans don't care about taking care of people, dogs, or anything else with a heartbeat and an income under 10 million a year. All you have to do is look at every single policy they vote against.
     
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    I mean what could be the consequences of letting rogue powers go unchecked?

    You might as well also argue that we should meet the demands of terrorists.
     
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    About half the federal budget is spent on Medicare, Medicaid, and SSN so I’m not sure what the hell you are talking about.

    The entire GOP voted against the infrastructure bill. You conservatives don’t even really want to take care of Americans….
     
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