At this point, anyone who think he's going to extend for less than 20 per to start at the most optimistic circumstances just don't actually know the basics of NBA cap or been watching Free agency for more than 1 season There's a very real chance he'll get a max / near max (32m to start for him).
Piss off, I am not unaware, I just don't put as much stock in them as he is playing well and has been a model citizen for quite some time, someone will want his talent.....which is pretty danged high. DD
This just one outsider talking outta his ass dont worry about it. The fact that he thinks KPJ is gonna make or break Stone just shows how off base he is. Green and Bari are who will make or break Stone since thats who we used top picks to get. Does Stone has some bias for KPJ? I would assume so. But to suggest its gonna cloud the Rox judgement is another matter entirely. Plus, I dont want a soulless machine run organization. If you treat everyone like a business, all you'll get are mercenaries in the end. A good run organization has a mix of both prefessionalism and relationship, which is why Stone is an A+ GM in my book.
Doubt it. Wanna bet 100 usd KPJ doesnt get a max/near max contract? Pretty sure he doesnt get more than 28M a year.
It's frustrating to see this go unaddressed as pages keep stacking up in this thread. This entire thread is a straw man.
A team can afford 3 max players at most. Most teams have two. So if you sign a guy to a max, you'd better believe that he is going to be your top 2 player and is good enough to be a top 2 guy on a championship team. A lot of teams sign the wrong player(s) to max and are stuck in mediocrity. We have a whole bunch of high potential young players. Only Jalen Green has shown that he is good enough to be a top 2 player on a contender. So if we make KPJ the other top 2, that means all the other high potential guys (Jabari, Tari, Sengun, and the lotto pick next year) will either be disappointment or too expensive to keep. It's just not very wise to be fixated on one unproven player when you have so many possibilities waiting to happen.
Teams starting their rebuild use their available cap space to take on bad contracts while collecting draft picks. They don't sign inefficient/ineffective players off of other rebuilding teams to massive contracts.
Lol at DD saying KPJ has been a model citizen for quite some time. He literally quit at halftime of a game. What an idiot
Sorry, I don't see KPJ as anything but efficient, skilled and someone to build around.....so your point is moot. DD
I don’t think he meant make or break Stone but that he’ll just look like even more of a genius if KPJ pans out on top of his excellent rebuild. I also think he meant KPJs play and I didn’t literally mean keys to the kingdom. Unless KPJ just shows he’s a all star I know Green and Jabari will be priority until play shows otherwise I just meant trust a kid, known for his outburst, to be the point guard of a team full of baby’s and top draft picks. I think the rockets came to him with a friendly extension but KPJ and his agent probably know if he can keep improving both on & off the court they can probably earn a 25-30mil bag if he plays well enough. Tate probably grabbed anything he could seeing all these 6’8+ guys getting drafted
Aren't we saying the same thing? I said he'll be around the max which is 32.5, so I was thinking more like 28~30. I'm mainly referring to some of the more absurd takes that think they can get him at 13~15m or something. Now I can see a cap logic on why they won't like to do a 20~25 ish type of extention with him right now (it will make next off season more difficult for them.), but then you'd have to live with the very likely possibility that you'll end up paying him more like 28~30
These fools hate this man bc he dipped out in the Denver game. It’s all hate and pointless explaining this to them. He’s gonna get extended and half of this board will have a meltdown. I’ll have my popcorn ready for it too
One side chooses to ignore it because it blows up their entire narrative. There are 5 types of contracts outside of Bird Rights. Each is limited to a specific salary / range. 4 of those can be used by teams over the cap but the highest value is the NT-MLE and that's just over $11m. Vet min BAE T-MLE NT-MLE Cap Space. Any contract larger has to come in form of Bird Rights OR Cap Space. The Rockets are the only team with his Bird Rights any other offers have to come from that short list of teams with cap space. I will add that there are a couple other teams who could create enough cap space in Memphis and the Lakers. In the case of the Lakers, assuming Lebron returns, they will have only 4 players under contract at $92m. They can create about 15.3m in space by relinquishing the rights to all their own free agents other than PatBev and keeping him at an identical figure to last year. Putting them at 5 players and $105m or about $29m under the cap.... But Not So Fast! They'd have Seven Incomplete Roster Charges which is projected to be $1,963,212 each in 2023 knocking that $29m down to $15.3m in usable cap space.
We’ve seen scorers be able to hit a switch to become efficient as they mature, Kemba Walker and Jrue Holiday come to mind as recent examples. KPJ hasn’t proved he can be an efficient, winning player yet, but he has shown flashes. Too early to pay him for sure, but too early to give up on him as a player. We have him as a RFA, good place to be with him right now My biggest problem with KPJ is the attitude problems, if that dude throws **** at coaches and drives off mid game again get him out.
I don't think Kemba Walker ever became really efficient. He seems possibly like a good comparison actually.
