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To extend KPJ or not?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lachard Binkley, Jul 29, 2022.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    TyTy?
     
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    That's not really ideal, I feel like tyty should be in the G league.
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    From what I have seen from him, he has the potential to just bring the ball up, hit the occasional floater, defend well, hit the occasional three. I think we want a PG who doesn't want to dominate the ball. Green and Sengun should be our main creators.
     
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    LMAOOOOOOO ohhhh Mannix. Never thought a senior writer would want for clicks!

     
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    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
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    Ouch.
     
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    I am just dumbfounded by what kind of point guard in 2022 are you going to find that doesn’t take at least FGA a game. Besides maybe Jrue Holiday I am dumbfounded.

    I just don’t see what KPJ/Green/Jabari/Sengun can’t share the ball like Curry/Klay/KD/Draymond. Like I do not understand

    I understand if he continues to be a distraction to get rid of him but as long as he keeps improving

    KPJ also averages less turn overs than Luka, Trey young, Ja Morant(both 3.5), and less than other superstars who have FAR more talented teams

    Besides some questionable behavior issues I literally just don’t get it unless he shows this year there is no hope for him at PG
     
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    he's a higher turnover guy then all of those, and WAY higher then Ja, much much higher then Trey, and higher then Luka. The issue isn't him shooting, the issue is him shooting and having horrid efficiency. You're thinking that someone who has 2 turnovers in 10 possessions is a lower turnover guy then someone who has 4 turnovers in 80 possessions, which is untrue.
     
  8. KingSamJack

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    Actually scouts also passed on the two time MVP
     
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    There's quite a few combo guard prospects in this draft that project better than KPJ. We should be in the running for at least one of them. The Rockets know that there's going to be zero market for KPJ this off-season. They should get him at 12-14 mill and if he has a good year you can begin to make him understand that he's the place holder and eventually the spark plug off the bench. KPJ is literally made for that role.

    If you get the #1 pick well...I mean you go for Wemby, keep KPJ as the starter for a few years until everyone matures and then you get a real PG in the off season.
     
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  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Because you are judging him by what he does on the basketball court, which is all we should be doing, while others are judging him by off the floor crap, which happens on every franchise in the league we just don't hear about it.

    Twitter and the web have really screwed up fandom.

    DD
     
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    Im not claiming they are always right. I’m laughing at the claim that their opinion is no different than anyone else’s. Every single professionally paid scout puts infinitely more time and effort into their opinions than regular joe blows on message boards.
     
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  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    That is not always true either, there are obsessed people all over the world putting time into breaking down videos and scouting players.

    And in the end, scouts are just giving their opinions - which may not be all that great.....either.

    DD
     
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    isn't it amazing that something that is common sense needs to be stated

    pretty embarrassing tbh
     
  14. Verbal Christ

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    And then you have guys like Mannix who take other peoples ideas and claim ownership when the narrative fits, but when he's shown to be wrong or there is enough backlash he gets incredulous and infantile. Hmmmmmmm. Remind you of any place familiar? ;) Its an awesome version of Occam's Razor in play!

    This is his contribution last year for example from his anonymous source! :rolleyes: https://www.si.com/nba/2021/10/15/nba-preview-anonymous-scout-takes-lakers-nets-warriors-bucks

     
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    I don't mind that he takes shots, though I do mind when he takes bad shots which he often did last season. KPJ might actually be our best catch and shoot player. It's his decision making that is subpar.

    "I just don’t see what KPJ/Green/Jabari/Sengun can’t share the ball like Curry/Klay/KD/Draymond. Like I do not understand"
    For one, Curry and even Dray are significantly better passers than KPJ imo. Curry, Klay, and KD are all way more efficient shooters than KPJ and Green. Dray is also a better shooter than Sengun. In a nutshell, there is a LOT less spilt milk when the ball gets shared compared to our team.

    "KPJ also averages less turn overs than Luka, Trey young, Ja Morant(both 3.5), and less than other superstars who have FAR more talented teams"
    Turnovers by itself is a meaningless stat. You have to look at TO% and KPJ's is worse than all those players you just mentioned.

    Me, I haven't written him off. At the same time, if this was horse racing KPJ would not be the horse I would bet on either. I am personally on the side of letting him prove himself. Even excusing poor behavior, I found his decision making and BBIQ lacking last season. If we consider that a field, he has a LOT of ground to cover.
     
  16. PatBev

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    I mean yeah he had some turn overs last year learning how to play point but averaged 3.5 a game same as Ja. Young & Luka averaged 4+ with. Curry averaged 3.2 last year

    I’m looking at season stats but don’t shoot me. Im just saying people would lose their minds last season if KPJ had 5 turnovers a game but if you looked at any other guys like Luka, Trey, Ja they would all have 4+ if you looked at games stats. Lebron averaged 3.5 turnovers a game last year

    I’m not saying he’s these guys but I just get so confused how this board acts you shouldn’t be in the league if you have more than 1 a game

    Yeah let Jalen shoot 30FGA per and I’m sure we’ll see efficiency. Or go give the ball to Christopher who many wanted starting point.

    This years team isn’t a tanking gleague team so how about we give him a chance. I could be totally wrong
     
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    I’ll give you the shot chunking last season but I also don’t really blame him. I think that was him feeling the need to try to be a true point guard(basically leader) and try to take it upon himself to try to carry the team sometimes

    If I was as talented as KPJ and you gave me a team of undrafted nobodies like Armoni, Mathew’s, Tate, KMJ, sterling brown, and whatever other bum we used to tank. Then you got a passive aggressive Green still trying to find his way, along with a selfish ass player in Wood. On top of all that a coaching staff who only wants to teach the “basics” as Silas put it, and rotations that looked like tanking

    I’d be taking ill advised shot too if that’s what I was given to “win” with

    There is a lot of talented guards in this draft. If KPJ doesn’t take a leap this year then we need to move on unless he can actually accept 6th man

    I also believe Curry, Klay, and draymond didn’t come alive until their mid 20’s after years of playing together. Not too sure though. I thought curry was considered a bust from ankle injuries

    I was in rehab at 24 so I have faith he can change lol. If he does really take a leap this year it’s just hard for me to just cast him away. His size, talent, + he’s got that dawg in him. More of a clutch 4th quarter player than I remember Harden to be
     
  18. PatBev

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    I’m sure he understands his past makes giving him a bag a risk for most franchises

    I assume the conversation went “we feel comfortable giving you this right now or we can give you this year to show your improvements both on/off the court and we’ll determine then or let the market gauge your value”
     
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    This thread is over Monday night...that is the last day for extensions to be signed.

    DD
     
  20. astrosrule

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    Per game is irrelevant, look at turnover %. He’s far worse when it comes to turning the ball over then everyone you listed
     

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