OK, so KPJ is a more successful pole vaulter than Alpi. Alpi simply isn't good enough to make the men's olympic relay team. See you in 5 years.
I’m not judging off that one preseason game, I’ve been saying this for many months. KPJ’s court vision is solid, not great.. but he’s more effective imo bc he has more scoring gravity than Sengun. KPJ has the physical ability to do everything on the court, Sengun doesn’t! He’ll always be undersized and lack athleticism. I’m telling you man, teams don’t win with a big that’s a poor defender. Please tell me who’s won? Maybe Cleveland, but Tristan Thompson is actually a good defender and that team had LeBron lol. So tell me a team, please
We are a bottom feeding rebuilding team. U do not give up on a player that early. If u don't like a player just say so, instead of pretending u are a fan and then use sengun "weaknesses" of reasons to get rid of him. We can win games with sengun in our current situation, u pivoting this into poor big defensive man can't win it all just shows your anti sengun agenda. I swear all dem kpj fans always have to put down all the players around him to distract folks for calling to get rid of him. Kpj ain't a tru pg, the sooner we relegate him to sixth man when we find a real pg the better. Man needs to up his scoring and free throw soon, Scott Henderson is a person to draft if we miss on wemby.
Me being honest about things with Sengun means I don’t like him? That’s not fair to say at all. I’m a rockets fan and I care about the team first. I’m not saying we should give up on him, I’ve said he deserves the next year or 2 to show that he can be our future 5. You’re saying this stuff bc you know I’m right and you couldn’t name a team that’s won with a 5 that’s a bad defender
I'm not a KPJ fanboi .... I might be his biggest critic. To say Sengun lacks athleticism is factual. Hell, I'm on the wrong side of 50 and have a higher vertical. Yeah, I can still throw one down on occasion and embarrass the youngsters at the gym .... but I am 6'4" and still a gym rat. His lack of athleticism - vertical lift and lateral quickness was well known before the draft .... NBA Draft Junkies | Alperen Sengun Scouting Report Alperen Sengun - NBA Draft Room Alperen Sengun - NBADraft.net That's not to say we should give up on him as a prospect, he can carve out a place in this league - Just not as a starting center. I think he's a second unit type that can keep the scoreboard moving while you rest your starters. He can create a lot of easy shots for himself and others out of the high / low post. But that compels a completely different offensive scheme than the 4 or 5 out that this team runs almost exclusively to be effective. He can give you a different look in half court situations .... a real luxury to have on your bench when you need a bucket in end of half / game situations where you are bringing the ball inbounds on your end of the floor.
Scouting reports were wrong on him. And no you don’t have a 30+ inch vertical. Alp is hurt by stereotypes. In no way is he not athletic, he’s not an elite athlete but he is above average NBA athlete. 360 in game dunks don’t happen by unathletic people.
How tf is he an above average nba athlete?? So you’re saying that he’s more athletic than half the guys in the league. A 360 dunk is easy as hell at that height. His athleticism is underrated, though. Outside of Boban, he’s the worst athlete on the team
The average vertical for the NBA is 28” There are plenty of videos with Alp head at the bottom of the backboard which 9’6 inches. Let’s call it 9’4 to be safe. At 6’9 (at the time) that is 31” in game. There’s video of him being almost at the rim with his head on Instagram. Again, he’s above average. Not by much but still. When you combine that with his quick feet (mainly of offense) coordination, fluidity and short area burst. He’s a good athlete. And no, 360 dunks in general are not easy. Just being able to do a full spin in the air is tough for some people
Tate, Garuba, Jabari, Matthews, TyTy are all simlar level athletes as Alp, yes they might be faster in the open court, Alp isn’t the fastest. But short areas there isn’t much difference. We also have some ridiculous athletes on the team, even by NBA standards.
Tate??! Jabari???????!!!? They’re way more coordinated and have much better lateral movement. Only guy I could add is Nix, but he’s not a similar athlete the the other guys you listed, especially Jabari and Tate. Btw… 28 is not a good vertical at all. I jumped 37.5 as junior in hs at the nike combine. 28 for an nba player is not good
They aren’t more coordinated, they are better laterally to an extent. But not explosive athletes either. 28” is the NBA average. Athletic testing, coaching Olympic athletes is literally what I do. Biomechanics is my profession, and good job if you actually had a true 37.5 inch vert. I highly doubt it, but good job if so. Back to the subject, Sengun is by all definitions and play an average to above average NBA athlete. Which means he’s better than anyone in this forum. Also, run and jump isn’t the only aspects to athleticism
Yeah, it brings to mind a guy named Larry Bird who was often ridiculed for his 28-inch vertical. Cmoak's killing you at each point you bring up; you're getting killed on every ground. Still, you press on. Man, this is like watching a flat-earther arguing with an astronomer.
He’s not killing me on anything bc he’s biased when it comes to Sengun and he’s saying things that aren’t true. I never said you can’t be good if you don’t have a high vertical. Most of y’all on here were never athletes, so y’all’s view is coming from someone who couldn’t ever do these things
I definitely did. I didn’t get an athletic scholarship by being a bum athlete. I’m factoring in many things when I’m talking about him being a below average athlete. An area strength for his size is he has pretty good short area quickness which is why he can recover at times
Plenty of people get athletic scholarships without being great athletes. And again, Alp isn’t a below average athlete. Balance, coordination, short area burst, quick feet on offense, underrated vertical pop, quick hands, hand eye and good recovery are all athletic traits that he is above average at. First step laterally and top speed aren’t strengths.
I haven’t said one untrue thing, that would be you. And I guarantee you haven’t done more in athletics than I have.
Here is what is going to happen. 1. Either Sengun works on this weaknesses and develops a game like Scola at the elbow extended, or out to the 3pt line. or.... 2. If he only stays on the low post, he will either be moved to a 6th man role, or traded. DD
