Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

If Ashli Babbitt had just complied, she would still be alive.

 

So does that mean you withdraw your previous statements Ashli Babbitt had little responsibility regarding her death?

 

I think the Officer who shot her when she represented no imminent threat of death or great bodily injury to anyone is primarily responsible for her death, and that it was an illegal use of deadly force. Certainly, she would not have been killed if she had complied and not entered the Capitol though, so she is at least a but for cause of her own death.

 

If Trump hadn't lied, there wouldn't have been an insurrection. If Trump hadn't lied, none of those police officers would have been beaten and killed. If the party of Trump hadn't echoed his lies, none of this would have happened. Trump and his party are the instigators of the coup. Truth! They are a dangerous and power hungry party.

 

Not sure why that is breaking news. Cruz admitted that shortly after the impeachment trial was over.

 

Then would you extend that same reasoning then to other incidences where you have defended LEO
Use of lethal force when the suspect didn’t represent a lethal threat. If I recall you were one of those who thought Chauvin should’ve been acquitted and his actions where justified even though Floyd was in no position to be a threat.

 

I don't think Chauvin intentionally used lethal force, which is the big difference. If Chauvin had shot handcuffed George Floyd in the throat, I would have said it was murder. Chauvin was violently resisting arrest, was restrained to overcome his violent resistance, and died (probably because he had consumed lethal levels of intoxicants). Neither Chauvin nor any of the other officers did anything which evinced an intent to kill. Byrd very clearly intended to kill Babbit. They are not comparable incidents. Floyd's death was comparable to Tony Timpa's. Babbit's death was comparable to Justine Damond, who was killed unarmed and approaching the officer (also by MPD).

 

Didn’t PD response trainers say he used unnecessary force?

 

So fking dumb. Ashli Babbit was trepreassing that alone is grounds for a person fearing their life to open fire.

It's a fking riot and she was climbing through the window.

U pull that sht on any property and u r justified to shoot. The police officer did nothing wrong.

 

What a ridiculous take. Anyone with half a brain would have known that forcing that knee to his neck until he stopped breathing, and continuing to do it could kill him.

So as he laid there unconscious, he was still posing a threat? Nope.

He didn't die from intoxicants. That was proven and discussed in detail at the trial. One thing is for sure, your racial bias and political bias is disturbing. Then again, that's par for the course with so many on the right. An angry mob beating cops and breaking into the Capitol, screaming "Hang Mike Pence" carried far more of a threat than George Floyd did pinned to the ground by three men and unconscious. Make no mistake about that.

 

They said that Floyd should have been moved into the "recovery position" after he had been taken down to the ground and was no longer resistive, and that continuing to hold him prone on his belly was unnecessary force. I would say any force they were applying at that point was minimal, which is obvious from the video.

What was proved at trial was that he didn't force a knee to his neck until he stopped breathing, Chauvin's weight was largely on his shoulder/back throughout the encounter and that he did not die from strangulation or damage to the neck. He died exactly like Tony Timpa died, which is a resistive subject with an already unhealthy body that is high as a kite is held on his stomach with weight on his back. Whether it was the drugs, positional asphyxiation, or a combination of the two is debateable.

Nope, but at that point little if any force was being used against him.

The coroner's report said that he had a lethal level of fentanyl in his system. That the prosecutor's witnesses said that was not the cause of death in a murder trial is not surprising. I think your racial bias is disturbing. Why are you okay with an unarmed white woman being killed who had never done more than tresspassing in a public building, but a violent robber who was drugged out being accidentally killed during his restraint is murder? I have never seen you comment once on Tony Timpa's death, and he died in the exact same way as George Floyd. The only difference is, he was white.

 

You are wrong. The statements from the police officers, members of congress, and witnesses show that they were fearful for their lives.

It's not that hard to understand. The capital was under attack. Members of the VP security details called their families to say goodbye. They were right to be fearful - more than 100 officers were injured some severely.

 

I think it was intentional.

In his plea agreement:

"The defendant also knew there was no legal justification to continue his use of force because he was aware that Mr. Floyd not only stopped resisting, but also stopped talking, stopped moving, stopped breathing, and lost consciousness and a pulse. The defendant chose to continue applying force even though he knew Mr. Floyd's condition progressively worsened. The defendant also heard Mr. Floyd repeatedly explain that he could not breathe, was in pain, and wanted help."

 

Ashli Babbitt was a terrorist full stop. I don’t really care what her path to radicalization was, but it happened, and now she is dead.

The simple reality here is that all these people should have been shot when they entered the capital. Maybe then, the seriousness of the right wing cult would be understood and dealt with.

Democracy’s lack of an appropriate response to direct threats to its existence, will be its downfall.

If 260 people were killed in the insurrection attempt instead of 6, maybe then we could actually halt the empire’s collapse.

And to think...All of this for a complete and total orange tinted moron.

 

Reasonably fearful because of Babbit? No. They didn't even know she was there. They were fearful of the riot generally. There was no imminent risk of death or great bodily injury from Babbit, because she was an unarmed woman who was climbing through a window into a hallway and the only person in the hallway was a police officer with a gun. All the officers were injured elsewhere in and around the building by other people. If there is a protest or riot with people injured, are the police allowed to shoot anyone that happens to be there? What about anyone that is trespassing or climbing through a window.

The intent to hold him down was certainly intentional. I don't think he intended to use lethal force. He intended to hold him there until paramedics arrived, which he did.

 

Let me paint a picture that might make it more fearful to you.


Now imagine if it was a mob of black men that just stormed up the stairs and in the process trampled over your peers and a black man in front of the mob breaks a window which is the last barrier between you and the mob and climbs through it knowing what that mob just did.

I'm assuming you would feel the officer would be justified in shooting that individual

 

If they had been supporting ISIS instead of Trump the ones supporting the white terrorists would have justified shooting them all. You can bet the bank on that. Terrorism is terrorism, no matter what the cause.

 

You must have missed all the evidence about that constant pressure suffocating him, neck or not. You trying to justify that racist white cop's murder shows your racist view.

 

There was no imminent risk of death or great bodily injury from Babbit, because she was an unarmed woman who was climbing through a window into a hallway

This is one of the stupidest take I have heard.

It's a fking riot. No one's gonna wait and see if the first person that breach the barricade via the window is armed or not. Shoot first ask question later. It was justified shooting. Self defense, trespassing intruders. Police officers were getting overwhelmed, I'm surprised he had restraint not to blast all of them maga turds. They were literally sieging the Capitol.

It seems like when police shoot or hurt the MAGA turds that Republicans like @StupidMoniker ignores backing the blue and whatnot.

 

Sounds pretty fked up that folks have this mindset, but I agree.

Since we only hand slap on the wrist prison sentences to these terrorists, folks are still denying the election results. Next time these folks will b more organized.

All dem Republicans that like to liken blm folks to maga terrorist, seem to ignore that if blm folks were the one doing this sht, they would have been mowed down.