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[WaPo] Biden’s scary invocation of nuclear ‘Armageddon’

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    did the OP have a problem with statements like this?

    i bet he didnt.

    “I listened to him constantly using the N-word, that’s the N-word, and he’s constantly using it: the nuclear word,” Trump said describing his talks with the Russian leader, while absolutely bizarrely suggesting “the N-word” refers to “nuclear.” “We say, ’Oh, he’s a nuclear power.’ But we’re a greater nuclear power. We have the greatest submarines in the world, the most powerful machines ever built…. You should say, ‘Look, if you mention that word one more time, we’re going to send them over and we’ll be coasting back and forth, up and down your coast. You can’t let this tragedy continue. You can’t let these, these thousands of people die.”
    Of course, this isn‘t the first time Trump has offered a terrible suggestion re: how to stop Russia. Earlier this month, he said during an interview with Sean Hannity that Joe Biden should be boasting about the U.S.’s vast nuclear capabilities, and during a speech before Republican National Committee donors suggested that the U.S. “put the Chinese flag” on its military planes and “bomb the ****” out of the country. “And then we say, China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other, and we sit back and watch.”
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/donald-trump-russia-nuclear-submarines

    "Will someone from [Jong Un's] depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!"
    https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...s-widely-viewed-as-an-actual-nuclear-threat-1
     
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    Demonstratably ≠ demonstrated.

    I think you're clever enough to understand the difference.
     
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    so where has one-sided Armageddon been proven or empirically demonstrated to be true?

    I'll help you: Mutually Assured Destruction is a theory, a hypothesis, a doctrine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

    To date it has not yet occurred. I suppose there is always a nonzero probability that someone like Putin would simply "let them all fly" at the United States in a Russian suicide attempt, and that the United States would not respond in any way.

    But it seems likely that the United States would respond in some way. Thus "it takes two to Armageddon."

    But it's all just hypothetical at this point, isn't it?
     
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    concentrate on the "empirical" and "provable" part
     
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    Should I really
     
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    D&D folks are apocaloptimists

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    I had to think about how that phrase entered my lexicon to be honest, but it came to me eventually:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posterior_Analytics


    If you have any more problems with my terminology, take it up with Aristotle.
     
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    If he gains a freaked out China and India then that’s strategically a good decision to help try and get Putin’s few powerful allies to convince Putin to end the war.

    Or at the very least warn the world how catastrophic nuclear wars actually are. Every day I get fed something online where someone is saying “what would REALLY happen if Russia decides to use nuclear weapons” and that constant drip is doing damage at normalizing nukes in our minds. When in reality we should have a good healthy apocalyptic fear of nuclear weapons.

    We should never allow the potential use of nuclear weapons to be normalized. Biden striking some fear is a good thing.
     
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    I think the only fear Biden is striking is about his own state of mind

    even SNL is picking up on this. Cued to 1:35 and Biden "striking fear"



    "Don't know where to put that in my brain, but I love Biden." That about sums it up
     
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    So you believe normalizing the use of nuclear weapons is a good thing?

    Or are you saying that if Putin uses a nuclear weapon it’ll be one and done and we’ll just go on living our lives??

    I fail to see your point about the topic because of course you are trying to focus on mockery instead of the actual topic.
     
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    Oh no SNL is riffing on the current president of the United States let me run to social media and declare it’s no longer funny and I’ll be boycotting.

    In the United States you’re allowed to **** on your political leaders. In nuclear armed Russia, you get killed with radioactive tea.
     
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    Biden has been consistent with policy for this whole year not to escalate and send long range weapons or missiles that can strike deep into Russia. Earlier in the year, Biden was getting flack for not sending those weapons or advanced air and armor. Poland even threw a hissy fit but wasn't angry enough to send planes over themselves.

    The fact that Ukraine has fought back enough for Russia to change the ground rules (illegal annexation through rigged elections) shouldn't make us pull back our efforts due to success.

    Trump gets a pass for his failures because he usually tucks and runs afterwards. He did it with Syria. He abandoned our Kurdish allies trained by our CIA for a good decade or two. He decided Afghanistan was done and tried to do a quick write-off. With N. Korea, he talked war only to roll over with every concession to meet.

    Outside of China, Trump doesn't know how to handle international victory but he gets a pass for appeasing and not escalating. He threw away moral lines that formed the bulkwork of post cold war policy in the guise of America First.

    Biden's actions are more consistent than his relatively few gaffes. Until he starts starts signalling more flags, maybe suggest a military parade in Washington or goes John Wick over a dead dog, he gets my benefit of the doubt.
     
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