Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

What other laws should Christian memaws and papaws blanketly ignore?

 

Utah Rep. John Curtis is not pro-choice and shrugs it off: "If you're a woman, it stinks"

 

WTF..........wow, the extremes don't mind saying anything out loud now, if your a woman who stands up and makes her own choices, how can you vote for a dips*hit like this? Old white guys will tell you what you need and don't need honey, now go fix me a ham samich and a beer.......are we back to old white guys being Archie Bunker

 

Ok so now are you going to answer my question?

Why are you selective when it comes to free will?

This is what you posted?

God created the universe and gave us free will. What we do with that free will is our own decision.

So shouldn't abortion also be our own decision?

 

The difference between her and someone like Lauren Boebert is that Lauren probably doesn't rap. The difference between her and Walker is that he wants to keep that abortion money under wrap. The difference between the GOP and Democrats is that the GOP thinks a young rape victim should be forced to carry a baby from some pedophile rapist.

 

It is your own decision, just like raping, murdering, stealing, robbing, and genociding. God doesn't prevent women from getting abortions, if he did, there would not be abortions. Not every decision you can physically enact is good or legal.

 

I get the feeling that having this person give birth would probably accelerate the "death of an empire" more.

Also, bemoaning low character after it manifests is pretty hollow. Get out in front of the problem and invest in your citizens if you don't want them turning out to be stupid and immoral.

 

Stealing, robbing and genocide are all things that have victims that are sentient beings or beings that were at one point sentient.

 

If you’re going to engage in civil disobedience you should expect to get arrested. I mean should we make a tweet about how Biden’s DOJ is arresting all the good folks who glue themselves to NBA courts or run out into NFL fields protesting?

 

This is an issue that there is no common philosophical ground. If you believe they life Begins at conception then yes abortion is murder. If that is a deep seated belief there is probably no way of changing someone’s view of that. The debate though politically is that according to most polling that is an extreme minority position and most Americans support having abortion available on some level.

The issue then that I would put to pro-life people is that even with the Dobbs decision abortion is very unlikely to go away and as the Kansas referendum showed even Right leaning states still allow abortion if enough the populace wants that. Practically instead of just focussing on legal bans they could politically backfire why not focus instead on actions that reduce the need and demand for abortions? Why not look at steps that make every pregnancy wanted by focussing on family planning, sex education, and then things like prenatal and early childhood healthcare?

As Herschel Walker shows that even among many of those who loudly proclaim they are Pro Life this issue is ripe with hypocrisy. If a well off Herschel Walker is unwilling to support another child how do we expect those who aren’t as well off the to choose not to abort out of principle?

 

This should be fun.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...determine-what-religious-freedom-really-means

Jewish women are suing states over anti-abortion laws as a violation of their religious freedom.

“In Judaism, reproductive health of a mother is between the mother, her rabbi and her doctor — not the attorney general,” Louisville attorney Aaron Kemper said in filing the case last Thursday. Another lawyer representing the mothers, Benjamin Potash, pointed out that the abortion bans are “using a very specific philosophical and religious understanding about what the moment of humanness is. “That is a very specific religious understanding from a very specific group of folks,” Potash said. “Simply put, it’s just not our belief, and we’re having that belief imposed upon us by the legislature.”

That is in violation of the Kentucky Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the suit claims, by violating “the religious freedoms of Jewish birth-givers.” It continues: “Forcing a mother to deliver a dead fetus to term, or one that will certainly die moments after birth, does not advance a governmental interest to protect fetal life, is contrary to Jewish law, severely damages the mental health of the mother, is flatly cruel and degrading, does nothing to promote ‘life’ and serves no legitimate purpose at all.”

 

Wrong thread

 

Get the government out of the doctor-patient relationship.

Missouri Woman Denied Emergency Abortion Called a State Senator for Help. He Sent Her to an Anti-Abortion Clinic.

In August, a pregnant Missouri woman named Mylissa Farmer suddenly needed an abortion, just over a month after her state enacted its near-total abortion ban. Her water had broken 17 weeks into her pregnancy, and her medical records indicated a number of health factors placing her at greater risk of pregnancy-related complications, including increased risk of sepsis, loss of her uterus, and even death. Farmer is also 41-years-old. Doctors treating her recommended an abortion, but, of course, couldn’t provide her one under state law, reported the Springfield News-Leader.

Farmer and her partner consulted with doctors and experts across several states and made “countless phone calls,” with—in her words—“a baby dying inside me.” They learned there was no way for their wanted pregnancy to be viable or even last another six weeks, since Farmer’s cervix was already open. If she waited it out, she and the fetus could suffer tremendously. “The thing [a doctor] said was, ‘There are things worse than death, and I have seen it,’” Farmer recounted.

Farmer told the newspaper she’s always identified as “pretty pro-life”—but she found herself seeking abortion care, anyway, even calling her state senator’s office to seek help. She didn’t find it.

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Several days after Farmer learned her pregnancy wasn’t viable and could possibly kill her, she received life-saving abortion care. It was a relief, but it wasn’t easy. Farmer recalled the toll of being confronted by anti-abortion protesters harassing her outside the clinic; she told the newspaper they echoed the sentiments her own friends had expressed to her, “saying we were killing our baby and that we were evil.”

“It was awful, you know? We were just going through so much,” Farmer said. “We didn’t want this ... but at the same time, we had no choice.”

Beyond the trauma of losing a wanted pregnancy and experiencing a serious threat to her life, Farmer and her partner had been shrugged off and dismissed by her state senator, ostracized by her support system, and still had substantial bills to pay and a job to get back to. “If this was a year ago, they could have induced labor and I would have been able to hold her and say goodbye,” Farmer’s partner, Matthew McNeill, told the newspaper.

Their story is one of almost countless post-Roe v. Wade nightmares unfolding across the country recently, between teen girls denied life-saving medications they’ve always taken because they’re childbearing age and the medications could induce miscarriage, and, recently, a Tennessee woman forced to take a costly six-hour ambulance ride across state lines for a life-saving abortion. Pregnant people are being forced to carry skull-less or entirely nonviable fetuses; pregnant child rape victims and cancer patients are being forced to cross state lines for care; and the doctors who try to help them are being threatened with prison time. We may never even know the full toll of these laws, as some reproductive health care providers recently came forward about being prevented by their employers from speaking out publicly.

All wanted abortions are medically necessary, regardless of the circumstances in which you’re seeking care. The laws unilaterally banning care are inflicting indiscriminate, dehumanizing suffering.

 

There must be some small print in the USSC abortion ban where the rules do not apply to rich white men (and in some instances rich black football players)

 

So…honest question. What is worse? The conservatives overturning this (predictable and disappointing) or the dems who refused to codify it when they could have for the reason that the threat of or an actual overturn would help them win elections (which appears to have come to fruition)?
Either way it is so disappointing. Man I hate politics…some win but we all lose.

 

The Democrats didn’t have the votes to overturn it. They couldn’t overcome a filibuster threat in the Senate.

On the flip side if Republicans take Congress they have no chance of passing Graham’s bill nationalizing abortion restrictions.

 

Abortion Rights Are Reshaping American Politics | FiveThirtyEight

The midterm election results look like a striking rebuke of the court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, and the wave of near-total abortion bans that followed it.

In other words, the unpopularity of the Supreme Court’s decision isn’t just registering in polls – it’s also reshaping the country’s political landscape.

Abortion will continue to be a defining issue for Democrats
Add all those contests up and it’s clear the issue of abortion rights isn’t going away. Some Democrats who leaned heavily into abortion, despite the prevailing economic winds, will likely feel vindicated by last night’s results. It’s still not entirely clear whether abortion was a decisive issue in states where access to the procedure is protected — like Oregon and Nevada — but the issue clearly did not fade into the background, despite predictions to the contrary.

How did Democrats manage to defy those expectations? We don’t know yet. But it seems like abortion access may be mobilizing some groups that the Democrats have long struggled to turn out reliably, like young voters. There were signs going into the election that young women were particularly upset by the Supreme Court’s ruling, and that’s reinforced by the exit polls, which found
that abortion was the top issue for 44 percent of voters under the age of 30 — far more than the share that picked inflation. Women were also more likely than men to say that abortion was their top issue in the exit polls (33 percent vs. 22 percent), but the gap wasn’t huge, and it could be at least partially explained by the fact that women are more likely to vote for Democrats. We’ll have to wait until we get more reliable turnout numbers to dig into this further — but for now it’s clear that abortion is motivating many Democratic voters, despite a sour economy and general discontent with the state of the country. Going into 2024, we will likely see more Democratic primary candidates running on the issue of abortion, as many of this year’s primaries were over by the time the Dobbs decision came out.