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QB or NOT QB.....

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by hlmbasketball, Aug 24, 2022.

  1. raining threes

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    Explain to me why you don't think Ewers has the most upside of any QB in his class? I've been keeping up with him since high school and he's got unreal arm talent. Probably the best in his class.
     
  2. Fulgore

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    What if he’s all hype because of his last name? I’d rather take a shot at Levis or Young.
     
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  3. hlmbasketball

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    A lot of players have physical gifts but they just are not good players and that what I see in Ewers.
     
  4. cmoak1982

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    Maybe so, but that is the royal family name of football
     
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  5. cmoak1982

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    How so? He was lighting up Alabama
     
  6. raining threes

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    What do you not see?
     
  7. hlmbasketball

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    If I were to wait and go with a QB next yr, it would be Williams. He has arm talent, big play ability, mobility, yet he's calm and that's what I like.

    I'll admit, I haven't seen Maye play but a lot of people are high on him. I need to see more.

    My question is, we can't keep kicking the can down the road trying to find Jesus at the QB Position. We had a Top 10 QB but he's gone. We need to draft someone and build around him. My PREFERENCE is someone who's; ACCURATE, MOBILE, yet POISE.

    I definitely see all of that in Young, however people say he's small, yet there's been a lot of small players who made it to the HOF. So, BEGGARS CAN'T BE CHOOSY.
     
  8. hlmbasketball

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    This is why I'm hesitant on Ewers. Go back and look at his highlights from high school and against Alabama, every throw he makes is one read, he never looks off the defender nor does he show great mobility. In the NFL, he's not going to have clean pockets...that's a rarity and you have to be able to go through your progressions.

    Does he have a good arm? Yes but so does a lot of QBs.



     
  9. cmoak1982

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    Not sure you know what a single read system is, he goes through multiple view points in almost every throw. And definitely off play action. The quick passing isn’t single read, it’s designed play.
    Also, you might be the only person that thinks he doesn’t have mobility, that’s literally one of his strengths. He has Mahomes like mobility, great in the pocket and getting outside, not break away speed but functional to avoid contact and pick up the easy yards.
     
  10. Hey Now!

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    I think too many fans discount how important the *team* is to a QBs development. Most assume a top-rated QB walks in the door and boom! Not that easy. The team has to build the right environment, hire the right coaching and find the right personnel to surround the QB.

    Mahomes is very obviously great; he also landed in QB utopia, with one of the greatest offensive minds in NFL history and a team loaded with weapons (Hunt, Hill, Kelce). Does Mahomes have the same success if he lands in... Carolina? Again, he is very good - but I doubt the same level of success.

    Start going through the list of great QBs right now and you're going to very often find good coaching and weapons surrounding them.
     
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  11. hlmbasketball

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    So he's been in a single read system his whole career; highschool and college and that's who you want to draft with your #1 overall pick next yr?

    I want a QB who can show me some of the things on the field that he's going to be faced with in the NFL. That's probably why he lost his job to CJ Stroud.

    I know what a one read system is but those are the things I look at. I don't want some one who you have to project at that position, especially with a high pick. I WANT TO BE AS CERTAIN AS POSSIBLE.

    With Ewers, you have to project that he can go through his reads. That's MAJOR in the NFL. That's one of the problems the Texans are having now with Mills, not being able to go through his reads
     
  12. cmoak1982

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    You don’t know what a one read system is then.
    Lamar has literally been in a one read system with Roman up until this year lol

    Ewers has not been.

    Also, he didn’t lose out his job. He was technically a senior in high school going up against a sophomore in college in a QB battle, Stroud won out. He should have won if Stroud is as good as you think he is, he’s supposed to beat a high school senior
     
  13. Verbal Christ

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    Great post. Coaching is most critical in the game of football. So much organization and detail involved that good/great talent is not enough. Andy Reid would have done just as good with a talent like Watson. In turn Mahomes would have done great here with Obrien because he's that good and we may still be building around him since he seems to be a much better human. Not as easy as just drafting high and then expecting a player to turn things around when the foundation of the team is bad. Symbiosis is paramount in this sport and this team has just been way too dysfunctional at the top for there to be success even with all the talent it has had and let go.
     
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    First of all, he's not Lamar! Lamar has exceptional speed, so it behooved him to be in that system to take advantage of his speed.

    The same things I saw from Ewers in high school is the same things I see from him now....nothing has changed. And because he does not have the speed of a Lamar Jackson, he will get picked apart. You yourself said he's not as fast.

    As far as losing his job to a Sophmore or whomever, if you're good, you're good! It doesn't matter who old or experienced your competition is. If that's the case a lot of NFL rookies would be on the bench for yrs until the players ahead of them either retire or get traded....that's ridiculous!
     
  15. cmoak1982

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    No one is as fast as Lamar, that doesn’t mean they’re slow. Ewers is a mobile QB.
    And you still don’t know what a single read system is, not once in that video is there a single read.
    Also, I don’t think you understand, Ewers went to college after his junior year of high school. This year (his second) would be most peoples true freshman year
     
  16. Verbal Christ

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    Ewers was a nationally recognized 5 star player who some said was as near a lock for college/nfl success as you could get. Stroud was a blue collar 4 star guy who had taken big leaps after each year of football he played and in the reverse you would thing the blue chip prospect would be the guy with the talent level to win out over less sexy names. Ewers was fascinated by the NIL money and fast tracked to a powerhouse to cash in, but didnt appear to be "better" than Stroud and wasnt going to win that job while he was there and supposedly got "home sick". Im glad he transferred so he could have his own team and show the world what he can do. Texas was a GREAT spot for him. I want to see him bring that program back to prominence.
     
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  17. Rudyc281

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    I agree 1000%

    Same situation with Lamar.

    That’s why I’m not oppose to maybe drafting BPA and collecting as much talent as possible because this team is lacking talent in all areas not just QB.
     
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  18. Hey Now!

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    I think the Texans have enough pieces in place to bring in a franchise QB. Their OL is pretty good & they have some weapons. They need a better coaching staff - but it's not completely desolate.

    IMO, no team should ever pass on a franchise QB if one meets their standards. You just never know what the future might bring.
     
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    Not nearly enough weapons

    No solid RB 2
    No productive TE
    No solid Slot WR till metchie returns next year or maybe sign Andy Isabella right now

    If cooks or Nico or Pierce get hurt we take a serious hit offensively.

    But I agree for the most part I want Young or Anderson I’m fine with either one.
     
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    As much as we dislike Bill O Brien around here, I would trust his assessment of Bryce Young in terms of talent and mental acumen compared to Deshaun Watson and Tom Brady. At least in those areas, he should be able to give an honest evaluation. Really the only concern with Bryce Young is his size and of course it should be concerning because even standing next to high school prospects he often looks the same or smaller. I think this is honestly a case where you have to think about just how special of a talent someone has to be, to be so obviously limited in size, but yet have excelled in high school and college against some of the toughest defenses. If you watch this video from high school when he was doing whiteboard work with DJ Uiagalelei from Clemson, even though he sounds like a kid, it's obvious how much more advanced mentally he is compared to DJ. I think Bryce is just extremely naturally gifted along with having a very high work ethic. Don't think we should pass up on that just because he's unique.

     
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