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Congratulations to Gov DeSantis

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. Nook

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    This is true.
     
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  2. Amiga

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    I think she's technically correct, but I don't think it's because of the forecast at the time.

    This was 9/27 (I think around noon). As you can see, the "cone of uncertainty" was still huge. As with any hurricane, planners and folks should be focused on the general location instead of a more specific location.

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  3. Amiga

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    If Fort Myers and Naples areas were not at least prepared for the possibility of a direct hit, that's a major failure of planning. Lesson learned from previous hurricanes is to not be so focused on one area. But at the same time, you have to be conscious of moving millions of people in a short period of time (Houston made a major mistake years ago moving too many people at once out of Rita's path). At a minimum though, you should be prepared to shelter in place (and get out of all low-lying areas).
     
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    which is unfortunately pretty much all of Florida lol
     
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  5. Amiga

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    It's weakness. Strong confident leaders do not need to stop or interrupt a reporter from asking a question.
     
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  6. Amiga

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    no it's not
     
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    He is working on a crisis. No time for time wasters. He did the right thing.
     
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  9. Amiga

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    Which shows it's not 'pretty much all of FL.'

    The hurricane track forecast also shows areas vulnerable to storm surge. Take a look at the map I show above - the red areas. When we talk about getting out of low-lying areas when a hurricane is coming, we are talking about those red-colored areas.

    Here is another map showing storm surge risk (for a Cat5). Even with a Cat 5, it's nowhere 'pretty much all of FL'.

    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/203f772571cb48b1b8b50fdcc3272e2c/page/Category-5/
     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    Of course. It was a joke (with a bit of truth to that - no basements in South Florida). Adding the "lol" was apparently not enough for you to be able to understand that.
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    She was asked a question about complacency and then said there were concerns about complacency because they are talking about impacts in a part of Florida that hasn't seen a direct impact from a major storm in 100 years.

    We had a number of neighbors and others in our area that were extremely complacent because of that very reason.
     
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    Notably, one of DeSantis’s first actions as a member of Congress in 2013 was to oppose billions of dollars in aid for relief to victims of Hurricane Sandy, which hit New York, New Jersey and other northeastern states that year. DeSantis voted against a $9.7 billion spending package to help those areas, claiming that he took issue with the proposal because it lasted more than a couple of years and was not fiscally responsible. “The problem with the Sandy package was, if you look at it, only 30 percent of it was going to be spent in the first two years,” DeSantis said at the time.
     
  13. Amiga

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    Yep, it's a common problem. The opposite also has the same effect. Too many consecutive false negatives (this is going to be another major one and either it wasn't too bad or completely missed) also lead to complacency.
     
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    So he was right to oppose it, based on a technicality. Trying to score points against him and the people of Florida now based on that is wrong. The people in the area where disaster hit so badly deserve our solidarity.
     
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    Well tell that to the residents of Lee County where the evacuation order went out Tuesday instead of Monday like it should have.
     
  16. Space Ghost

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    Lee County is a third world nation.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You always have to take the storm surge of a hurricane seriously. If there is any possibility you are going to end up on the right side of the storm - even 10% chance, you must evacuate. In fact, Florida law is that if there is a 10% chance of a 6 foot surge there should be a mandatory evacuation.

    Yes, false alarms drive complacency - but do you think the people from Tampa who evacuated and nothing happened to their property are thinking that, geez, why did we evacuate or watching pictures of what was once Ft Myers?

    NOAA was saying early Monday that there was an increasing possibility of a catastrophic storm surge with this storm. At that point, you have to evacuate all low lying areas from the keys to the panhandle. All of the logistics for this are supposed to be planned out far far in advance before the hurricane season even begins.

    This was a failure of gov't leadership at the local and state level.
     
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    If you were still close to the sea in Lee County on Tuesday - I wouldn't blame that on government, just on yourself.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    It's not always easy for folks to evacuate. It was a minor inconvenience for us but others don't have the resources to just up and leave.
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    You insist on cherry picking the data. Euro model had it heading to Tampa days out. Then it started swinging west rapidly, to a point where I thought it could hit as far as Mobile. In the last day or so, it swung quickly to the east.

    This is largely why I don't give much credit to storm speculation. It's about accurate as Vegas and technical analysis.

    Lee County is very aware of Hurricanes. It's kinda dumb to think they aren't. If you live in FL, taking hurricane conditions in account is something someone should take very serious when considering long term housing. I am one of the most casual people when it comes to Fl hurricanes. Everyone I come across takes it serious. Some people have prepared enough not to stress too much over them.
     

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