Congratulations to Gov DeSantis

Surprised he didn't post a picture of himself playing volleyball with his shirt off ala Top Gun, instead.

 

I'm not sure why this so concerns you so much.

Disasters preparedness and response is something that I've had a long term interests in, also I have relatives in Sarasota in the path of the storm. For that matter there's been plenty on CLutchfans in the past regarding my interests and actual activities in response to disasters. Your hypothesis is highly speculative based on limited observation.

And honestly handing out assigments? I've answered all of your questions and engaged in a substantial debate if you still want to make a point perhaps you should bring something to the table.

 

These decisions are never easy. There is not one right answer and there is always some trade-off. I'm not going to criticize any governor who values one path over the other as long as they have the interest of the state and people.

But one thing I will criticize DeSantis for is his choice of the surgeon general of Florida. He choose Joseph Ladapo, who is associated with American Frontline Doctors. AFLDS is a right-wing group well known for their anti-vaccine stance and has made false claims about the Covid vaccine's efficacy and safety while advocating for unproven covid-19 treatments (hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin) and promoting telehealth AFLDS-trained physicians who would prescribe these unproven treatments. It is no surprise then that Florida ranks 46th out of 50 for vaccination even with a pretty large senior population.

 

I don't have a problem with criticism for how a governor or the federal government handled COVID. The problem I have is that there is a real lack of honesty or transparence on the topic. I either see those that say everything should have been shutdown and do not acknowledge that there were costs associated with that or I see people that claim that opening up didn't increase the number of deaths from COVID.

In the case of DeSantis, he is very good with the media and because he is currently a "darling" I see this dichotomy even more prevalent. It is a fact that DeSantis opened up earlier and was not as stringent. It is also a fact that people in Florida were able to go back to some form of normality quicker as a result of stores being opened, etc. However, the predictable outcome of that is that Florida has not done well at all when it comes to controlling deaths from COVID. It is also a fact that DeSantis and his administration has not wanted to discuss COVID and as a result has not really pushed vaccinations or boosters and as a result his state is firmly in the bottom 10% of vaccinations. It is also very likely that as a result, COVID will linger longer in Florida than other states.

DeSantis isn't a magician, he cannot have both. He made a decision, and it may be the decision most think it right. However, this isn't a situation of a clear "win-win" anymore than it is a clear "lose-lose". There are consequences for having leaders take decisive action. California is going through it as well, they are dealing with the consequences of positions their governor took in regards to COVID.

DeSantis appoints people like Joseph Ladapo because he can control them. He did the same thing with the school board members and other positions. One way to look at it is that it shows strong leadership, DeSantis has a very strong control of his state. Another way to look at it is that he is doing what is politically smart for him and not what is necessarily in the best interest of the state of Florida.

I think that it is hard to argue against DeSantis being a very strong administrator. In a very short period of time he has taken control of the state in many areas and has shown he is willing to do just about anything to get state actors to follow his lead. I also think that it is very hard to argue against the fact that DeSantis is more interested in his political ambitions than leading the state. We can see it with his stupid stunts such as flying immigrants to Martha's Vineyard and a long list of other things.

 

Surprising none of the Christian Taliban have likened this hurricane to god’s retribution like when it hits Louisiana.

 

He is vowing to prevent the folks who name hurricanes from using woke names. He is also earmarking significant funding towards technology that will steer storms towards the few remaining abortion clinics in the state. Lastly, he will “forget” to notify any trans kids and their families of any evacuation orders. Not sure what else you’re looking for?

 

Gov. DeSantis dismisses former DOH worker's claim she was fired over COVID-19 transparency issues

You really can't even trust the Covid stats from Florida since they're likely juked, which is saying something considering how bad they fared compared to even other red states that's been documented. That's the thing. If he was really a good administrator, he wouldn't need to juke stats. The proof would be in the results instead of immediately going to the default, because freedom, answer.

When I think of the Martha's Vineyard, I don't think, that's what I seek in capable leadership. I think of someone that researches heavily and collaborates with multiple people and agencies to come up with a feasible plan to address said issue they're bringing attention to. Then I look at the results of said plan after it's been implemented in action. Then do a cost/benefit ratio analysis to see if the results are worth the budget and time and energy it'll take to keep results consistent long term.

Much like Gohmert, I fail to see one piece of tangible legislation that's got some depth to it that makes me think he is in fact a capable administrator and has the well being of Floridians ahead of his own.

When your famous calling cards are bringing an issue to attention and that attention is ultimately focused on yourself, I don't view that as someone with a solution in mind. I view that as clickbait publicity to give optics of concern over an issue from which they have no real plan to address in reality.

Understanding industries like Pharmaceutical companies pour over 80% of their budget into marketing, publicity for the sake of it is not what I'd like to see a possible future President pour their energy into. I'd rather see effective legislation and interpretation of legislation enforced that yields results which benefits Americans regardless of party affiliation. I'd rather real tangible change for the better get done than mere optics for some culture war bullshit personally.

 

I do like that he is doing his job though, unlike Trump that instead threw the instructions out the window and went with his gut. You don't think individuals deserve some credit for doing their jobs?

 

Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned Trump, I was in general referring to individuals who just don't do their job and don't follow set standards put in place for situations like hurricanes. Trump just happens to be one example that thought he could do a better job than follow whatever guidelines were set in the pandemic cookbook left behind by the Obama administration.

 

This is why I think the DeSantis resembles Nixon. Nixon was also very smart and capable but he also was extremely partisan and sought to explore divisions in the culture war to further his own career.

 

I spelled out specific responses that a governor can do leading up to the disater already so this isn't just inheriting a good system. I also spelled out examples for when a governor doesn't do the rigth thing and it leads to bad outcomes.

Have you tried to assemble alot of Ikea furniture?

You're ignoring information I already provided and you're insinuating that all I'm doing is relying upon google and wikipedia searches. My history regarding disasters and knowledge base is here on the Clutchfans.

Bayesian by definition is acting off of limited information. It certainly appears like you;'re arguing on limited information and then substituting some pre existing bias to fill in.

Other than that I'm not sure why it even matters to you? Is it so horrible to acknowledge that a Republican governor actually could do a good job in a disaster?

 

It should be noted that while DeSantis was indeed very lax, not all municipalities were, in fact nearly all of them had put in place their own COVID restrictions so in florida you still had a lot of people masking up and getting vaccines.

 

"Lax" is not a term I would apply to DeSantis. It seems like he went relatively quickly from having measures like mask mandates and shutdowns to not only disagreeing with those but going after municipalities and private businesses so they couldn't enforce those.

 

I think that is the best comparison. I know that some conservatives will take it as a slight, but really it isn't when it comes to political skill. There is no question that DeSantis is exceptional at fight a culture war. All of his actions he frames as being done for children and families and he is relying on a lot of voters not really digging in too deep.

Nixon had some blunders well before Watergate and would survive them to the surprise of many. I wonder if that is the case with DeSantis. I believe DeSantis has learned just how far he can go having seen what has happened with Trump.

 

Can you link to those numbers, or are you just talking out of your ass like usual.

You don't think there are a lot of old folks in California?

California actually has more old folks than Florida, almost double.

 

I did both post the numbers and link to an academic paper about it .

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/congratulations-to-gov-desantis.312522/page-100#post-14260134

 

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