Did you know this AOM? If so, how do you brag about how he did such a great job with his COVID handling? Sounds like a disaster to me. I wonder what percent of all those deaths were no mask, no vax die hard MAGA.
Reason y folks dont care about dying from covid is bc somehow the Republicans managed to convince themselves that the covid is as harmful as the flu. Lol. Natural selection will do it works, can't save everyone
No there are actual factors. Like making an early disaster declaration that allows the state to tap federal resources. Prepositioning emergency supplies, preparing shelters, putting the national guard on alert and stationing them to be able to assist with rescue and recovery quickly, issueing evacuation orders, adjusting traffic flow to help evacuate people (for example using both sides of a freeway to evacuate). Working ahead of time with Federal and neighboring states so they can provide aid. All of that is being done in FL. https://www.flgov.com/2022/09/26/go...es-on-state-preparedness-for-hurricane-ian-2/ Well perhaps you don't but I actually have experience with disaster response. Anyway you don't need to have experience in this matter. If you want to see what a bad response is look at what happened in Texas during the freeze out last year. That was what not to do.
I brought this up earlier but DeSantis initially during the pandemic did do things like put in mask mandates and shut downs. His response was not much different than many Democratic governors. I still can't say for certain whether he changed because of things like the Barrignton Declaration but it does appear that he made it a political issue and has benefited from it politically. So far with disasters like Hurricane Ian or the Surfside Condo collapse he hasn't been politicizing the response to those.
The federalists literally beat the anti federalists from the very beginning of America’s independence. Try again.
Ok - since you have now moved off of tone and onto policy - How is this incrementally different from other disaster preparedness responses in your expertise? Particularly hurricanes - honestly i think Greg Abbott sucks but the Texas freeze disaster you cited doesn't really align very well, seems more like a long term story of lack of understanding of markets, climate denial and hubris, not that Ron DeSantis would ever fall victim to any of that. Remember you cited Jeb Bush as a leader in this area, etched into your brain in the form of Washington Post articles. Wouldn't it be fair to say that DeSantis is the inheritor of this bureaucracy rather than the architect? Im sure you have examples of contrasting/ bad policy responses already in your mind, but if you have to look them up, I'm willing to read them? Honestly given the amount of hurricanes in the gulf in the last few years it seems like their should be a "bad gov" out there somewhere. I mean even Chris Christie was out there bear hugging Obama last decade. Sure, I mean im as impressed as you are that he didn't blame a condo collapse on gay people or kidnap a bunch of migrants or had his election police investigate Notwithstanding the highness of that bar you just built, to what extent do you think this is likely to remain true if things go badly (or even if they don't)
Age-adjusted, Florida did at least as well as California - without lockdowns, mandates and all the other crap. The death rate is simply based on the fact that Florida is the "stairway to heaven" - lots of old folks.
Also, DeSantis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newsom That's from my VERY liberal friend who lives in Marin. He can't even go to his freaking SF downtown office anymore. Says crime is completely out of control. It's great to see how frustrated @SamFisher is that DeSantis is eating the Libs' breakfast. @SamFisher's bitter tears taste so sweet to anyone with more common sense than @SamFisher, which is pretty much everyone. For @SamFisher:
No they didn’t. Florida did noticeably worse than the ten states with the most citizens over 65 as well. I am not saying the decision made by DeSantis was good or bad, I really can see both sides of it. Florida traded more freedoms for a higher COVID death rate. There was no magic to what DeSantis did. It was a trade off. Was it a good one? I really don’t know.
https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w29928/w29928.pdf Lies, damned lies, and statistics, of course.
It is a trade off. Florida had less restrictions and more COVID deaths. Is that the right decision? I don’t know.
He is talking about “excess deaths”, which is one measure to use for sure. FWIW Florida is third worst out of the 50 states for excess deaths, only California and Texas are marginally worse. It isn’t something for Florida to be proud of. Amongst the 10 states with the most people 65 or older, when adjusted for population, Florida came in dead last. Right now Florida has 3 deaths from COVID for every death in the other 10 states when adjusted for population. Florida has lead the nation in COVID deaths for three straight summers and while the rates have slowed in other states, they haven’t slowed as fast in Florida. I don’t really know what the right answer is. What I do know is that Florida has had a lot higher death rate from COVID than any other state in the country since DeSantis opened everything up. When adjusted for age, it is still terrible for Florida as they have the third highest death rate out of 50 states. When it comes to vaccinations Florida is 46th out of 50 and that isn’t a shock as DeSantis hasn’t really encouraged vaccinations and boosters. I don’t have a definitive answer on what state handled COVID best. When people point to New York, I point out that there were unknown and unaccounted for costs shutting everything down…. And when it comes to Florida, they opened things up quicker but they also have more people dying than the rest of the country and even when adjusted for age, they are in the bottom 6%, which is terrible. There are costs for decisions made by each state and trade offs when it comes to COVID.
For people like Dan Patrick, who said grandparents are willing to die for the economy of their grandchildren it was. For me, I'd rather be poor than sacrifice family members for a buck. I also put family before my own wants, like hitting the clubs, socializing without a mask, and stuff like that during the pandemic, and taking selfish risks.
That is true. Florida is one of the 7-8 fastest growing states in the country with Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Idaho and a few others. Florida has relatively lower housing costs compared to East Coast states and California.
People like warm weather and the coast. The super wealthy have driven up the prices in places like California for decades. New York is the same, with too many people squeezed into cities. The same started happening in Austin and Houston, with people forced to move because their property taxes started skyrocketing with the wealthy squeezing them out of their old neighborhoods. They tear down old homes and squeeze a mansion in that spot and drive up property taxes. I doubt people are moving to Florida because it's run by an ex Trump butt kissing Republican.
Tone does matter and the best example is Trumps’s tone during the pandemic. DeSantis’s tone with this disaster is right. He’s not downplaying it or engaging in needless panic. You asked me though what steps are actually being taken and I told you. As stated there are other sources of knowledge regarding Jeb Bush’s response other than the Washington post article. Including from my own experience with disaster response. Here’s one from the Tampa Bay Times. https://www.tampabay.com/news/polit...image-of-jeb-bush-hurricane-governor/2242587/ You can look for your self too. Yes DeSantis inherited some good bureaucracy but leadership matters at the time of crisis and he’s been making the right moves. For example Trump inherited some good bureaucracy regarding the an epidemic yet dismantled it and didn’t make many of the right moves. DeSantis is the governor now he could’ve chosen to not do things like preposition emergency supplies and not just call for evacuations but actually dispatch emergency services to go door to door to encourage evacuations. Instead he is doing what a good administrator facing an impeding disaster should do. Yes Chris Christie did do a decent decent job with Sandy and did the right thing cooperating with federal authorities. That’s what we should expect of governors. Regarding bad responses to disasters again Abbott’s response to the freeze is one. Texas was very unprepared, there was a lot of denial about what was happening and finger pointing. Hurricane Katrina is another example with multiple failures from local to federal levels. I forgot who the governor of LA was at the the time but they failed to prepare properly and most damning there wasn’t cooperation between officials in NOLA and with state government. It was more than that. He got aid out quickly to the victims of that collapsed had state resources work closely with not just federal but also international rescue teams and most importantly has strengthen FL building codes to address issues like what could lead to possible collapse. As an architect and someone who has worked on disaster response and code compliance this was handled very well. As Yogi Berra said it’s hard to make predictions , especially about the future. Given DeSantis’s track record so far I expect him to handle disasters like future hurricanes like he has this one and in the aftermath of this disaster I expect him to work closely with federal Authorities with recovery. As is the Federal Government and FL appear to be working very closely. DeSantis and Biden oppose each other on many issues but they seem very willing to cooperate to address a major disaster. That is what we should expect of our leaders and for how much we should be willing to criticize them when they do things badly and for naked partisan ambition we should be willing to acknowledge when they are doing things right.
Why DeSantis chose to change direction if pandemic still isn’t clear to me but I do think that he made a trade off based on a variety of factors including political ambition. The stats can be spun but it does show they excess deaths FL was greater. It’s very possible that DeSantis is a true believer that steps other states took weren’t with the sacrifices and did little bit there is also no doubt he politicized it and benefited politically from the steps he took.
