So far 80,000 Floridians have died from COVID and on average, still 70 Floridians are dying from COVID each day. In April of 2021 DeSantis greatly laxed COVID protocols and since then Florida has by far the highest COVID death rate amongst all states. The death rate from COVID in Florida is over 2.5 times what the death rate is in California. It is over twice as high as NY (ever though NY has a far more dense population). It is also almost twice as high as Illinois. It is even 40% higher than Texas and 25% higher than any other highly populated state. FWIW DeSantis at one point blamed it on the hot weather in Florida. That isn't accurate though, as none of the states with hotter temperatures than Florida has near the death rate. In fact those ten states only had a COVID death rated 1/3 of that of Florida. DeSantis' spokesperson said it was because Florida has an older population. However, the states with the 10 oldest populations all had far fewer COVID deaths per capita than Florida. Those states on average only had 1/3 the COVID death rate that Florida has. So if you mean that DeSantis just opened up everything and decided that the increased death rate is just part of doing business, then I agree with you (and I don't mean that to be snarky). I will take him to task though for his position on vaccines. We know they work, yet Florida lags way behind on COVID vaccinations and his appointed Surgeon General seldom discusses vaccinations. There is nothing magical that DeSantis did in Florida. He made a calculated risk and decided that he would stop discussing COVID and open everything up and live with a higher death rate. That may well be the right move, but this myth that he has controlled COVID and opened everything up is just that - a myth. Also I question whether his lack of comments on vaccinations are based on political reasons. We really don't know what the outcome will be for a lot of what he has done. His school curriculum is still being drafted at a Baptist college in Michigan and won't be ready until 2024. What I will say about DeSantis is that he is very good at getting his way at the state level and is willing to take chances and make changes to better suit his agenda. That is something that LBJ was good at as well. The Democrats think they have a better chance of beating Trump than DeSantis.
Dead folks don't vote. So ****'em. And I hear from Cons that when they do, they vote Democrat. So ****'em twice.
He’s done a lot of the right things with this storm and other disasters. He’s getting resources ready and getting people to evacuate. He’s not playing politics with disasters.
LOL, so yeah based on a few tweets you have seen the last few days. Or have you done a deeper study, maybe checked back with previous hurricane responses at the Florida state level by say, Jeb Bush, and adjusting obviously for differences over the years in terms of technology etc and figured out how this effort grades out in the full context? or did you look at a still photo of a press conference and decide that it projected "capability"? I'll be the first to admit, I don't have any idea on how to judge the specific administrative skills of governors, let alone of states that I don't live in, let alone for particular instances about which not alot is actually known. Actually I don't even know waht being a good Administrator at a state government level actually is? Do you even have a definition? Most state governments are really big - I don't know how you'd measure that impact on an "administrative" level. I do know that most modern day Republicans seem to have little to no interest in governing whatsover and seem far more interested in publicity stunts and Fox News Extended Universe memes, there's certainly quite a bit of evidence on DeSantis in that department. So, my Bayesian is based off that. But, you have the floor, you can tell me how you came to your assessment if you want (or not, I don't care).
I'm not on Twitter so any tweets I see are secondhand reposted here. As someone with family in the storm path and also who has had experience with disasters I've been following it from other news sources for example: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/hu...y-09-27-22/h_8e25495bb4d47182710b9f7fdc7dda07 From what I recall Jeb Bush was also a capable administer who did a good job addressing storms. What makes a good administer during a disaster is preparedness, getting resources positioned, getting people out of the way of the disaster, providing information and also sober leadership about how dangerous the disaster could be. So far DeSantis appears to be doing all of those things. I get you don't like DeSantis and I'm very critical of him for things like his stunts flying migrants around using FL state resources. I think he's divisive political and focuses too much on culture wars. When it's come to handling disasters though he's been good and even bipartisan. He was widely praised with his handling of the Surfside condo collapse and even appeared with Biden and worked well with the Federal government to address that. As I said earlier that though is one of the problems that I have with DeSantis. He could be much more than just focussed on culture war battles. That's the route he's taken that he thinks is what will lead to him to bigger things.
This wasn't just me but none other than the Washington post praised Jeb Bush for his hurricane response. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d8a986-4a5f-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html One Bush gets praise for his handling of hurricanes — including Katrina A year ago — before he lost 30 pounds, raised tens of millions of dollars and announced plans to run for president — Jeb Bush quietly celebrated an anniversary. He returned to Port Charlotte, Fla., a retirement community slammed in August 2004 by Hurricane Charley, a storm that launched a deadly two-year span of tropical weather while he was governor of Florida. After Charley came Frances, Ivan and Jeanne. In 2005, Hurricanes Dennis, Katrina, Rita and Wilma. “These hurricanes kind of etched my soul in many ways,” he told locals, adding later: “The most important thing that I’ll always remember was dealing with eight hurricanes, four tropical storms in 2004 and 2005, and doing it with the most dedicated, committed public servants and volunteers at the local, county and state level that you could ever imagine. It was the greatest joy of my life.” ... Bush’s role during the deadly storms in Florida provides a sharp contrast with the presidencies of his father and brother, both of whom lost public support after flat-footed responses to hurricanes. In 1992, after Hurricane Andrew ravaged South Florida, the slow federal response contributed to George H.W. Bush’s reelection loss, many Republicans have said. And George W. Bush’s popularity never rebounded after Katrina. ... Dan Gelber, a former Florida House Democratic leader who frequently sparred with Bush, offered praise. “I have a lot of unflattering things to say about Jeb, but I have not criticized him for that,” Gelber said. “He did a good job. He was present, he delivered the resources you would hope for, asked for the help that was needed and didn’t politicize it.” More at link.
Thanks for showing me you can use an internet search engine for the terms Jeb Bush hurricane response but that's not a skill that i doubted you had/not what I asked. Anyway, what are the personal qualities you look for in a hurricane administrating governor?
Wow and I thought I was an instigator. Calm down dude, he gave you proof, and now you want to get into hypotheticals.
I've already answered that question. A governor that takes preparedness serious and addresses the dangers of impending disaster seoberly. Further as someone who has worked in disaster response I got to see first hand some of the response to hurricanes while Jeb Bush was governor and from what I could see and here did appear good especially compared to what happened in NOLA following Katrina. Now do you have anything substantial why you don't think DeSantis isn't doing a good job regarding Hurricane Ian?
Well @SamFisher is proving what I said in the "Commodore Bot" thread that those on the "Left" aren't monolithic in our views and that tribalism isn't as deep as some think.
That's just the theatrical response though (also, governor and president -? ) "taking preparedness serious(ly)" and "soberly" are just TV metrics. Do they actually matter at all in terms of outcomes of lives or damages or whatever? I don't know, I doubt it. No because it's a difficult and maybe even ridiculous question, neither I nor you are likely to know enough to say "what a good job" actually is and whether or not he's doing it, or whether or not it would matter if he did
The complete ****ery. Even the woman did not want to sign up for that. I am starting to think Desantis is just waiting for Trump to drop dead, and then he can replace him as grifter in chief he does not even want to be president, IMO.
