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To extend KPJ or not?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lachard Binkley, Jul 29, 2022.

  1. maj21

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    Sengun is gonna be 0% bc he won’t be in the game. Not saying I think it’s right, I just know what they’ll do.
     
  2. AlperenSengun

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    If the rockets don't believe Sengun will be playable to close games, they better quit on him. Though, I don't think this is the case. We'll see how it goes.
     
  3. maj21

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    I get where you’re coming from. Who do you think sits?
     
  4. astrosrule

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    The reps need to go to jalen and jabari, those are the 2 that matter most in the long run
     
  5. maj21

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    Silas is gonna do what he thinks will give them the best chance to win
     
  6. AlperenSengun

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    You might not see Tate and EG on the closing line up.
     
  7. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Thankfully most FO personnel know better than to go by box scores.
     
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  8. maj21

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    No way EG sits. Tate is the only hope, but we know how Silas feels about him and his defensive versatility
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I think it is funny that you believe that is what I am doing.

    DD
     
  10. Swapshop

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    We should extend sengun instead, he needs to grow a few inches. Also Tate while we are at it.
     
  11. jordnnnn

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    DD after everyone has educated him on the fact that in fact no, their numbers aren’t even remotely comparable.

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  12. ApacheWarrior

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    You should have been a florist.....or was that your profession in another
    life? About 8 of them flinging mud at a troubled kid, now 22, that lost his
    dad at an early age. Say he is terrible, won't develop further, needs to be
    moved to the bench.

    Throw the same shade at their favorite and they wether on the vine.
    Delicate Flowers.

    McCollum just about $31 M per year. I doubt Rockets have
    offered $18 M.....but it would have been a bargain after the
    season I'm expecting Porter to have.

    It's a guard driven league still. They can't seem to comprehend this.
     
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  13. King1

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    Lol at comparing a quitter who left a game at halftime to a leader like CJ McCollum who is respected everywhere and who literally got in touch with Zion to make sure he was working. KPJ just gets in fights at strip clubs at 6 am

    The narrative these people spin to defend this bum is amazing
     
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  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    LOL - you guys and numbers, just keep ignoring defense.......Harden was terrible on defense - KPJ is good at it, that makes up for some of the lack of efficiency on offense.

    Also, when the numbers are predicated on flawed data going in, which some of them are - then they aren't really telling the full story - too much human input on the original data, IMHO.

    There are 2 sides to basketball - come on now.....

    Look it is ok, that we don't agree - as I have said, none of what we think matters, only what the org thinks.....

    Let's just watch them and see how they do, if KPJ blows up, I am sure everyone here that has been critical will be more than happy and THAT is all that really matters.

    DD
     
  15. astrosrule

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    For a guard, it’s probably 90/10 offense being important. It’s not like he’s a center…..

    even if you think kpj is the best defensive guard in nba history, the comparison to harden is incredibly insulting and i just don’t get why you try so hard to denigrate one of the greatest rockets ever
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Man, that is just full on CAP - defense is just as important as offense.....but I get what you are saying.

    Most people struggle with comparisons, or critical thinking, everyone is remembering Harden in Houston, not the 6th man in his last year at OKC - which is what we are comparing to.....and that is the problem with bringing up the comparison because KPJ is only 22, and has struggled to this point.....Harden had too by 22 - but all folks remember is how he is one of the greatest scorers in NBA history, they forget what he was so for them they can't compartmentalize and do an apples to apples comparison.

    That's fine.....I am ok with seeing a comparison - not completely equal but enough to say...hey wait a minute....

    DD
     
  17. astrosrule

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    Nobody is talking about houston harden, that’s obviously light years beyond anything kpj can ever be. I am only talking about 3rd year okc harden and how legit great he was. Defense for a guard is NOT as important as offense, that applies only to centers (even there you can have exceptions). You keep trying to say harden is better at offense and kpj better at defense (which you btw have no evidence of, the metrics would say kpj is worse) as if those are equal
     
  18. Zen Tabak

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    DD is far from the first to make this comparison.

    https://cavaliersnation.com/2021/01/22/report-cavs-saw-james-harden-potential-in-kevin-porter-jr/
    “The Cavs knew all the reasons behind Porter’s draft night plummet,” wrote Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com. “They did their homework, talked to countless people and met with Porter personally. Despite some other teams taking Porter off the board, the Cavs were enamored with his upside, seeing a Harden-like offensive package and tantalizing two-way traits.”

    https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/20...as-potentially-next-james-harden-for-rockets/
    "Scoot (Porter), the sky is the limit for him. If he keeps his head clear and keeps trying to lead the team like he’s been doing lately, I think the sky is the limit for him. You could be looking at the next James Harden. That’s just my opinion."
    - Gerald Green

    I could go on.
     
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  19. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Beyond addressing it on KPJ’s end, I was going to let it go seeing how silly you already made yourself look. But fine let’s talk about it.

    First off, I’m pretty sure at this point that you either forgot how OKC Harden was or never knew anything to begin with. OKC Harden was a good defender. At worst he was an OK one. In fact one of his responsibilities was to help defend the opposing teams better players when he came off the bench. Did you forget how he absolutely shut Kobe down? It wasn’t until he took on the full offensive load in Houston where his devotion to D cratered.

    Now let’s look at KPJ, who by every metric is simply an OK defender, definitely not even close to the lofty expectations of a legit 3&D player. Now a big part of this is because our entire team sucked big donkey balls on D, so he gets a pass on his meh metrics. It was also true that he was often our best perimeter defender due to Tate searching for his inner Kobe. But is that really that impressive? That’s kind of like saying he was the best player of the smartest basketball team in high school. That said he has the size and tools to be a great defender IF he can keep up the effort.

    Finally let’s get back to comparing the two. KPJ was not that much better a defender than OKC Harden if at all. Harden on the other hand was in another dimension compared to KPJ on offense. That’s why there were teams willing to sell the farm for Harden. Not even the most desperate team would offer the same for KPJ right now.
     
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  20. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    You could say the exact same thing about T-Will and how he could have been the next LBJ. What’s your point?
     

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