A lot to this and I think a big factor in each election cycle is which side is currently the loudest with their obscure culture war issues. When "pronouns" dominate the discourse, it's bad for liberals. The overwhelming majority of Americans think it's crazy that they can't say "men don't get pregnant" without being called a bigot. When the water cooler talk is being driven by that type of stuff, Republicans are winning. It can't be overstated how massive the Dobbs decision was for shifting the conversation away from trans swimmers, pronouns, gay characters in school books, etc. and into "holy crap a 10 year old has to carry her baby to term?" When the right wing crazy bubbles up it's good for democrats.
I think they can (Barrack Obama) but in the past it has been at the expense of moderating policy or being more vague/values based on policy. Obama ran on some pretty progressive policy, but at that time in 2007 he had to talk to more high level ideas such as change, etc. which were more about values than policy specifics like the Bernie progressives tend to get stuck in, and lose people when they lose on giving too much for their opponent to label them as socialists, etc. Candidates who have followed his model (see Ossoff, Warnock, etc.) are typically pretty electable. You also have to sometimes let candidates be themselves if they have a unique personality. Fetterman is a good example, and honestly Biden is that type of politician too. On the campaign trail he's going to have gaff after gaff, but the guy comes off heart felt, and everyone in the crowd gets what grandpa is trying to get at. Biden isn't ideal to win over FoxNews viewers who already think all Democrats are pedophiles, but honestly the Democrats aren't winning any of those people over anyways. If the key factions on the coalition take to what someone like Biden with their nuances, you have to not try and over think it either. Moving forward... yeah... Biden's old grandpa gaffs model isn't a model anyone should follow. It's just Grandpa Biden being Grandpa Biden.
I think Obama was pretty unique and the timing of the 2008 election following the Financial Crash was pretty advantageous to a more progressive messaging. Since Obama was elected, conservatives have really done a great job of painting Dems as out of touch groomers who want open borders and communism. I think there are some individual candidates who make the messaging and vibes work but I think the Progressive party as a whole has really struggled with messaging, with some of it being self inflicted.
Some self inflicted yes (Hillary should have had a more competitive challenger field, etc.) but I don't know how much blame you really can lay at the Democratic party for the fact that Rupert Murdoch, Facebook, and co. have figured out how to turn their voting base into an actual violent extremist cult. I don't quite understand why that part is the fault of the Democratic party. I mean maybe it is, but I think there are bigger things at play that have lent themselves in order for Republicans to literally believe that all Democrats are groomers, public schools are where you go to get molested, and that there are lizard people. Alot of people are quick to say that Democrats have "a Messaging problem" but at the same time refuse to tell everyone exactly how you message to people who believe that there are lizard people controlling the government and have dungeons full of children under pizza parlors. Obviously, all Republican voters, and some in the middle do not believe it to that level, but they absolutely believe it at a more approachable way of saying it without saying it in a crazy Alex Jones/MTG type of way. Example from the GOP's "Intellectual" thinker: Even Ben Shapiro, who people here on the right love to get their talking points from, is still giving nods to the notions from the far right Qanon nuts even without saying because HE KNOWS the extremist ideology, while not openly talked about in Alex Jones stark terms, IS MAINSTREAM at some level. I just don't understand how Democrats' "messaging problem" can combat with this level of brainwashing when you don't have a viable infrastructure supporting facts, and the truth, or at least don't do it effectively in a way that brings people out of the cult.
You have to do like that MI state Senator who called out her Republican colleagues for accusing her of being a “groomer” even though she was a mother and a church going Christian on top of that. It’s about emphasizing empathy and acceptance over fear. It’s also about emphasizing freedom. I mean so what if more people are identifying as LGBTQ. Why should that affect you in anyway. If someone wants to be referred to as “they” “them” whether I find it silly or not doesn’t matter one bit to my life.
You sound like Charlie Crist fighting on the battlefield of love lol. "So what if..." They hate LGBTQ. No so what. They hate them. They hate the pronouns. It doesn't impact their life one bit and they still hate it. Good for the MI state senator I guess? All over the country Republic elected officials who stand up to this BS are run out of office, harassed with death threats, their kids are harassed at school, they are doxed on the internet, swatted, etc. etc. etc.
Well this didn’t happen overnight, it took off when a black, Muslim, socialist, American hating man won in 2008. I think Democrats struggle focusing/honing their message because there is still a progressive vs moderates fight going on. On the other hand, Republicans are way more solidified in their messaging as the party has become the Trump/extremist party. It would take some balls by the Dems but they need to form some messaging that splits Christians and makes the messaging regarding the “soul” of Christianity being under attacked by Christian nationalists. WWJD? IMO, progressives just didn’t know when to stop regarding Culture War issues and just provides layups for the right. Yes, Americans are supportive of gay rights but things become a lot more murky when all this gender identity rhetoric is introduced. Frankly I think Democrats already won the overall economic messaging. Obviously there are some things were they stumble economically.
I brought this up in another thread but I am Impressed with the forcefulness of Crist’s rhetoric. The “battlefield of love” does sound hokey but I think it is the right strategy. As you point out there is a lot of fear out there and to quote another great “politician” “ fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate and hate leads to the Dark side”. To counter that I do think we need to emphasize tolerance and understanding.
So you choose to ignore evrything else he has gotten accomplished and just focus on his ramblings. Makes total sense, let's get anybody else in there as long as they don't ramble. The actual narrative was that he could actually get **** done, and that narrative has been proven 100%. You and your kind don't actually care about getting **** done, it's all about optics and getting what I want done.
And on cue you trot out this B.S. question again when nobody has said anything of the sort, he laid out very succinctly his argument, but somehow that's all you took away from it. Really?
I agree with 90% of this especially about the messaging problem but the original sin of the Democrats was not getting behind Hillary full force because she was not evrybodies desired candidate or because they wanted a more progressive candidate or because of Bill. That hurt on the margins and some Dems voted for Trump just because he was not Hillary not saying she was a great candidate, but elections have consequences, and you can't have the 'perfect" candidate.
Again, are you a pedophile or have urges to touch children? You are constantly posting and thinking about pedophilia and ******* children.
At this point we just should call anyone we disagree with a pedophile. It works for the right wing. Why can't we create a conspiracy about a secret demonic ring of GOP pedophiles who sacrifice babies at the basement of a pizza parlor? Come one guys it ain't that hard. Nook and I can start. Hey Commodore why you like diddling with little kids?
Do u always wondered How conservatives can Interpret every biden moves as being perverted and post about it daily yet convinently ignore every perverted scandal trump has been accused? Really reminds me of that one poster btching about bidens rhetoric is damaging the country while ignoring trumps rhetoric.
They probably don't believe those things. They say things because they perceive it as a parody. For example you will see many right wingers online call anything racist because they watch agit prop that continuously tell them that liberals call everything racist.
Ya'll just don't care, no need for mental gymnastics. Just be truthful, "we see Joe touches women and girls in an awkward and unnatural way but I don't care because he represents my political leaning"....
Are u projecting? At least 26 women have accused President Donald Trump of sexual misconduct since the 1970s. I don't see the same faux indignation or outrage u have for trump as u do biden. Ah cause trump is a republican and u like that. Fking hypocrite. What biden is doing could b weird but he's not going around being accused of sexual assault like trump who u love.
