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Breaking: FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by larsv8, Aug 8, 2022.

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    this is the exact same stupid sh*t idiots like raining threes say…this is where he gets his talking points from
     
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    If State AG's are filing briefs in the case of Trump holding classified documents what legal basis do they have to file them? National security issues are specifically a matter for the Federal Government. A state AG has no say in the classification status of Federal documents.
     
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    Demanding a Special Master, then refusing to cooperate with that Special Master is typical Trump. He's always hiding something. Such a shady dude.
     
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    not sure, but we have history of states trying to meddle in things that have nothing to do with them

    Briskly rejecting a long-shot but high-stakes case, the U.S. Supreme Court on Friday tossed out the Texas lawsuit that had become a vehicle for Republicans across the country to contest President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

    In a few brief sentences, the high court said it would not consider the case for procedural reasons, because Texas lacked standing to bring it.

    "Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections," the court wrote in an unsigned ruling Friday evening.


    With Electoral College deadlines rapidly approaching, the ruling likely ends President Donald Trump's bid to overturn the election results through the courts.

    Texas sued this week to challenge
    the election results in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin on the basis that those states implemented pandemic-related changes to election procedures that, Texas claimed, were illegal and cast into question the election results. Those battleground states shot back, in harsh reply briefs, that Texas had no business challenging the election protocols of other states.
     
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    Ken Paxton and crew are not to be trusted. I'm still waiting for good ole Ken to face those felony charges in court.
     
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    Let the Ken Paxton situation be a reminder to folks who think just because Trump might get indicted that he'll face any sort of swift justice. Paxton's main tactic and stroke of luck seems to be that he's managed to have his case ping pong from judge to judge, and each time his case is shifted, it invokes more and more delays. 7 years of delays, and in the meantime.... he's been running and governing.

    More than likely Trump is going to be trying to pursue the same legal strategy, and that's what the special master gameplan previews for us.

    In this case, DOJ has national security measures to protect so they'll be able to get through this evidence review period fast I'm sure, but after that, I have no doubt this case will go on for years potentially with appeal after appeal. Garland really needs to protect this case and others too in order to ensure that if Republicans or heaven forbid Trump takes power again, these cases can't just be done away with like how Barr squelched every Trump investigation into Trump.
     
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    It's another example of how the party that claims they are for fiscal responsibility are all for spending taxpayer money on political stunts.
     
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    It's just an amicus brief, the idea of which is that it's from someone who is not a party in the case but might have useful advice. I'm not a lawyer, but I think it's up to the court to decide whether to accept an amicus brief, and of course whether the advice in it is worth anything.
     
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    this is why its so scary to have these clowns anywhere near a voting poll......they are already saying they wont do what's right, this is why trump cant run, you will have states who cheat and then you really will have a violent incident
     
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    This is also why it's so scary that even if a miracle happens, and justice is quick, and Trump ends up behind bars, the next GOP President will pardon him. I have no doubt about that. I also don't have much faith that even a Democratic President wouldn't consider pardoning him. Pardons of associates, friends, family members, or comrades in crime should NEVER be allowed. It's mob rule mentality. It makes cheating, sedition, and corruption so much more enticing for those in power.

    I also believe there should be swift action taken when the criminal is in a position of having power to rule and make laws, like a President, Senator, Congressman, political candidate, judge, or lawyer.
     
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    Trump’s team loses again.
     
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    The senior federal judge tasked with reviewing the materials seized by the FBI from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate sharply questioned the former president’s attorneys Tuesday during their first hearing before his courtroom.

    Judge Raymond Dearie pushed Trump’s lawyers repeatedly for refusing to back up the former president’s claim that he declassified the highly sensitive national security-related records discovered in his residence.

    “You can’t have your cake and eat it,” said Dearie, the “special master” picked by U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon to vet Trump’s effort to reclaim the materials taken by federal investigators.

    Trump has argued that the 11,000 documents taken from Mar-a-Lago were rightfully in his possession, including about 100 bearing classification markings that suggest they contain some of the nation’s most closely guarded intelligence.

    But Dearie bristled at the effort by Trump’s lawyers to resist his request for proof that Trump actually attempted to declassify any of the 100 documents that the Justice Department recovered from his estate. Without evidence from Trump, Dearie said his only basis to judge the classification level of the records was the fact that they all bear markings designating them as highly sensitive national security secrets — including some that indicate they contain intelligence derived from human sources and foreign intercepts.

    urging a federal appeals court to keep in place Cannon’s order blocking the Justice Department from advancing its criminal investigation into the seized records.

    In that filing, Trump’s attorneys argued that it was the Justice Department — not Trump — that bore the burden of showing the documents seized last month were classified. Dearie rejected that argument in his courtroom, saying that all that mattered were the markings on the documents.
     
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    Trump is nothing more than a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing buffoon…ignore whatever nonsense he or his lawyers spew in interviews or on Truth Social, and pay attention to what they actually argue in court because 99% of these lawyers are not willing to commit to perjury or get disbarred

    Why won’t Trump make his declassification defense in court? He’s screams it every day on social media, but there are actual consequences in court.
     
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    Typical gop, shout from the rooftop about how your right and there wrong and then when you get in front of a judge they shrivel up like George after a cold lap in the pool.................kind like when they went to court 60 times over election results

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    the same with these election fraud claims idiots like raining threes believe with no hesitation

    in court, it’s a different story because u actually have to have evidence and can’t go in there throwing out lies

    Nearly two weeks after the election was called for President-elect Joe Biden, Donald Trump and his legal team continue to advance spurious and dangerous claims that the election was “rigged.” In a press conference on Nov. 19, Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani called the election a “massive fraud,” while an attorney for the Trump campaign, Sidney Powell, alleged without evidence a wide-ranging scheme perpetrated by “massive influence of communist money.” She also appeared to suggest a revolution, comparing this moment to “the 1775 of our generation and beyond.”

    But Trump and his allies’ public allegations stand in stark contrast to what his lawyers are actually claiming— bound by professional ethics rules—in election-related cases in court. In three separate lawsuits in Pennsylvania and cases in Arizona and Nevada, Trump’s lawyers have jettisoned sweeping claims of fraud, instead focusing on relatively small-bore complaints.

    Here’s a look at some prominent instances in which Trump’s lawyers have conspicuously refused to embrace the language of “fraud” while standing before judges, quietly undercutting the President and his allies’ increasingly histrionic public stance.

    In a recent Pennsylvania federal case, Giuliani alleged “widespread, nationwide voter fraud” in his opening remarks. But under questioning from the judge, he retreated. “This is not a fraud case,” Giuliani later admitted. In the same case, Trump lawyer Linda Kearns said explicitly that she is “not proceeding” on allegations of fraud.

    In a separate state case in Montgomery County, Pa., a judge asked Trump lawyer Jonathan S. Goldstein whether he was alleging fraud. “Your honor, accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step,” Goldstein said. “And it is rare that I call somebody a liar, and I am not calling the Board of the [Democratic National Committee] or anybody else involved in this a liar. Everybody is coming to this with good faith.” The judge pressed Goldstein to answer the specific question: “Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?” To which Goldstein replied: “To my knowledge at present, no.”

    In yet another state case in Bucks County, Pa., Trump’s attorneys signed a joint stipulation of facts that explicitly admits that they are not alleging fraud, despite the President and his lawyers’ repeated public claims, according to Marc Elias, a lawyer working for Democrats on election-related cases. The stipulation of facts reads in part: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” The stipulation also says they don’t allege or have evidence of “misconduct” or “impropriety” in connection with the challenged ballots.

    On Thursday, a judge rejected the Trump campaign’s attempt to throw out absentee ballots in the Bucks County case, noting, “The parties specifically stipulated in their comprehensive stipulation of facts that there exists no evidence of any fraud, misconduct, or any impropriety with respect to the challenged ballots. There is nothing in the record and nothing alleged that would lead to the conclusion that any of the challenged ballots were submitted by someone not qualified or entitled to vote in this election.”

    Arizona
    In a state case concerning votes in Maricopa County, Ariz., Trump lawyers again dodged and weaved. On Nov. 12, the same day that the President himself was tweeting about hundreds of thousands of votes being stolen from him, a Trump campaign attorney Kory Langhofer told a judge, “We are not alleging fraud in this lawsuit. We are not alleging anyone stealing the election.”

    While Trump has repeatedly claimed that glitches in voting machines were evidence of foul play, Langhofer also threw cold water on that idea, saying instead the case concerned “a limited number of cases” of “good-faith errors in operating machines.” The Trump campaign has since dropped this case.

    On Thursday, Fox News host Tucker Carlson lambasted Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell for claiming without evidence that glitches in electronic voting machines had improperly favored Biden. “She never demonstrated that a single actual vote was moved illegitimately by software from one candidate to another,” Carlson said. “Not one.”

    Nevada
    Lawyers representing Trump’s campaign sent a letter to Attorney General William Barr on Nov. 5 alleging “criminal voter fraud” in Nevada. But lawyers representing Trump never made that allegation in court filings. Instead, as in many of the other Trump campaign election cases, the Nevada filings focus on much smaller claims, including questions about the use of a scanning machine to verify signatures and whether observers had proper access to observe vote counting.

    While prominent Republicans have largely remained silent as Trump has tried to subvert the election, the lack of evidence his legal team has presented in court may begin inspiring some to speak out. Two Republican senators both released statements Thursday based on Trump’s failures in court. “Based on what I’ve read in their filings, when Trump campaign lawyers have stood before courts under oath, they have repeatedly refused to actually allege grand fraud — because there are legal consequences for lying to judges,” Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse said in part.

    “Having failed to make even a plausible case of widespread fraud or conspiracy before any court of law, the President has now resorted to overt pressure on state and local officials to subvert the will of the people and overturn the election,” Utah Sen. Mitt Romney tweeted
    . “It is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by a sitting American President.”
     
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    on Fox News and on Truth Social: Election Fraud! Fraud! Fraud! Fraud! Everything was declassified!

    in front of the judge: This is not a case of fraud your Honor, we have no evidence :oops:…and “We do not wish to put forth evidence that these documents were declassified”
     

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