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To extend KPJ or not?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lachard Binkley, Jul 29, 2022.

  1. Easy

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    Thanks.

    Anyway, the per possessions or per minutes stats sometimes skew the picture. Playing in short spurts is not the same as playing in long stretches. For example, people use Sengun's per minutes stats to compare him to starters. But he might not be able to sustain the same level of performance if he played starter minutes. And some players have low volume because they aren't that good in the first place and the team wants them to play within the confine of their games to keep them more efficient.

    I know no stat is perfect. Just an observation.
     
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    ya for sure, that's why you need all of the data to get the full picture
     
  3. Corrosion

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    Absolutely .... and none of these random twitter stat posters are giving the complete picture.

    they are narrowing things down as far as possible to dictate the narrative.


    Take the catch and shoot 3's from Porter. It equates to 114 shots and 55 makes over the course of the 61 games he played this season or 1.87 attempts and .90 makes per game.

    Yes .482 is great ..... but that's not the whole story.

    When you look at Porters other 299 3 point shots he made 100 which is .334. Which again is only part of the whole.

    The more complete picture is 413/155 = .375

    Not as good as the catch and shoot numbers but not near as poor as the rest of those shots.


    The one thing that many of these random stats like this one and the % of open shots stat proves is that Porter is miscast as a lead guard. He's much better suited as a 6th man type.
     
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  4. J.R.

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    Why can’t I find Kevin in any of these rankings?!

     
  5. Joe Joe

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    Or a SF. Frankly, he could remain a PG if he let the game come to him (i.e., not forcing tough passes or relying on self-creation as much, or becoming significantly more efficient at self creation).
     
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    That should show you that Win Shares is not a stat that really means anything, and it still does not negate the fact Wagner played with far better players, 1st round picks galore.

    Thanks for illustrating the point perfectly.
     
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  7. jiggyfly

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    Its not "they" it's one guy and for some reason you all keep using him as an example and ignore everybody else.
     
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    You literally cannot dissuade Krusty the Klown (KK) from his idealism.

    KPJ could literally run over a guy going out for an evening jog (because he quit on his team and left the stadium at halftime) and then when the police question him about it, tell them to take a hike and toss soup (or a crouton salad, if it wasn't the chief of police and just the assistant chief) in their face before slamming the door in their face whilst cursing them every name under the sun, get arrested, then eventually bailed.

    And the response from KK would be: He'S jUsT a KiD oMg EvErYoNe DoEs ThIs!!!!!!
     
  9. King1

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    Because he sucks
     
  10. jiggyfly

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    LOL so he "manipulated stats to get those other guys in there?

    75 possesions is not a small sample size its 3/4 of a team possession some more than that the average team possession is 101.

    Its like you all don't even try and make sense when it comes to KPJ and your hate.

    All of those players on the list had about the same sample size.

    So either it's a small sample size or KPJ has free rein and dominates the ball. You can't have it both ways.
     
  11. jiggyfly

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    Because it's a ranking, and it's an opinion of what the writer thinks?

    What do you think this proves?

    The very telling part is he has numbers that are comparable to some on the list.
     
  12. Reeko

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    This b*tch again?
     
  13. jiggyfly

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    Now you just go to cursing, LOL.

    It's not that serious dude.
     
  14. Reeko

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    u want my attention so badly…fck off bum
     
  15. apollo33

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    yeah who wouldn't dream of playing with far greater players like Jalen Suggs and Mo Bamba. KPJ would surely quadrable his win share
     
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    it is the conclusion that is problematic not the comparison. If players are playing different minutes you need some normalization to compare the two so that you see what they do in the same amount of time or in the same number of possessions. But it does not mean that they can actually produce that. In your example if Sengun’s stats are comparable to starters per 36 for 15 minutes playing time, it means he is outgrowing that role and should be given more time to see how he does when he plays 20 minutes a game. Not that he should play 30 minutes. Also the less the playing time, the less meaningful per 36 numbers are.
     
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    I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, but they are still both top prospects, and you ignored all the other top picks.

    Are you really trying to compare the talent on the Magic to the Rockets?
     
  18. Williamson

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    It's weird to me that this is even a discussion. To me the only question is at what price do you attempt to extend KPJ. He's proven to be talented enough that if you can get him at the right price then you definitely want to keep him. So, the question is simply "At what number do the Rockets value him?".

    Personally, I see his worst-case scenario as being JR Smith. Never gets his head fully screwed on but still talented enough to be a contributor off the bench on a championship team.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    Random Twitter stars?

    Who are doing the actual research to make a point, and then watching wannabe know it alls trying to tear it down, with their _ NOT DOING THE WORK - selves.

    DD
     
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    Garuba make the cut?
     

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