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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    He is making the correct legal argument here.
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Do you really listen to this guy? Honest question.
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    I didn't say I like him. But he is asking the right questions, and making the right legal argument. When he interviewed the crazy woke law professor - same.
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I'm not taking a position on mask policy or lockdown, but I thought it would be interesting to look at the excess mortalities of European countries.

    https://www.science.org/content/art...-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash

    So Sweden paid a price for its policies in terms of human toll. Now can you debate whether or not the toll of reducing the loss of life would be worth it or not, but it's clear that at the beginning of the pandemic, they had to pay a price for that.
     
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  5. Commodore

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    Really shitty mandate to be upheld at this point, just about everybody in NYC has had covid by now.
     
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  7. AroundTheWorld

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    This is crazy.
     
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    Basically, the people who would have died anyway one way or another died early on in the pandemic, but they have much better natural immunity than everyone else.
     
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    I tried to find a source for the data behind that but there wasn't any. The sources I have seen have Sweden in the middle of the pact, not even close to the lowest.

    From what I understands, the Swedes were very good at getting people to voluntarily self isolate and stay away from high risk activities after the initial wave. So part of the question is whether lockdowns were effective or not, but rather are they necessary if you can get the public to follow recommendations. And I think that perhaps that may be an area of improvement is that perhaps not to pull the trigger on lockdowns too quickly but instead ask for voluntary compliance.

    The other is that lockdowns are not meant to stop the spread of disease, but rather prevent excess deaths from an overwhelmed health care system. When you have lots of people showing up at hospitals with serious covid symptoms and an outbreak is affecting the availability of nurses and doctors, more people who don't even have covid will die as a result of not getting the same level of health care for other issues.

    Also the studies done that looked at whether or not Sweden had a lot of "dry tinder" of vulnerable people who just died off early in the pandemic showed that theory to be largely false. I'll try to dig it up for you later.
     
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    Regardless of what the scientist recommended, the. “god loving patriots” would still be out there kicking doorknobs.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/09/18/kids-coronavirus-vaccine/

    Covid shots for young kids arrived in June. Few have received them.
    By Sabrina Malhi
    September 18, 2022 at 10:57 a.m. EDT

    In June, when the Food and Drug Administration authorized emergency use of coronavirus vaccines for children younger than 5, physicians expected apprehension among parents — after all, 4 in 10 parents with young children said they would definitely not get their youngsters vaccinated, according to a July Kaiser Family Foundation survey.

    But doctors and public health experts never expected there would be this little interest in vaccines for young children.

    Even in places with strong pro-vaccine sentiments, few young children have received shots, including in the District, which has the highest percentage vaccinated. In D.C., barely 21 percent of children 6 months to 4 years old have received one shot, and just 7.5 percent have received both doses, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    In Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi — which occupy the bottom of the list — the rates are even more dismal: less than 0.2 percent. Health officials worry that the lackluster vaccination uptake might leave the nation vulnerable to coronavirus clusters in the fall and winter.

    Just under 325,000 young children are fully vaccinated nationwide, according to the CDC. While some parents blame a lack of access, experts believe misinformation surrounding the shot for younger children is driving vaccine hesitancy.

    Peter Hotez, an infectious-disease physician and pediatrician at the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, said he’d hoped vaccination rates would improve as the months went by, but they remain stagnant.

    “I thought maybe it was just the summer, and people were traveling,” Hotez said.

    Nationwide, vaccination rates with a single dose increase with the age of children. Children younger than 5 have a 6 percent single-dose vaccination rate; for children 5 to 11, it’s six times higher, at 38 percent; and 12- to 17-year-olds have the highest vaccination rates among youths, at 70 percent.

    The low vaccination rates among the youngest children reflect inadequate communications about the shot, according to Hotez.

    “We haven’t done a good job explaining the long-term developmental consequences of long-covid for younger children,” Hotez said. “And future coronavirus variants are a very likely possibility.”

    From March 2020 to June 2022, 1.9 million children ages 1 to 4 tested positive for the coronavirus and 202 died. These numbers are low compared with the data on deaths among adults: Since the dawn of the pandemic, covid has killed more than 1 million U.S. adults. Still, scientists remain concerned about the enduring consequences of children being infected with the coronavirus, saying we don’t have enough data to determine whether children will develop long-term issues from a single coronavirus infection or multiple infections.

    Zachary Rubin, a pediatric allergist and immunologist in Illinois, said the death of even one child from an illness that could be prevented by a vaccine should be reason enough for parents to vaccinate their children. He said there needs to be more concern among parents about the long-term effects of the virus in younger children, such as brain fog and disorders involving smell — symptoms that are harder to diagnose.

    “An infant or toddler won’t be able to tell you if they’ve had fatigue or constant headaches, so you wouldn’t know if something was lingering even when the obvious physical symptoms subsided,” Rubin said.

    Parents’ hesitation about vaccination comes against a backdrop of eroding trust in public health guidance. A 2021 Harvard study found that many Americans are concerned about how public health institutions function. In the past decade, the public health system has experienced a decline in positive ratings.
    more at the link
     
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    Covid shots for young kids do not have a positive risk/reward ratio.
     
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    From what I recall the risk of brain damage in children under 5 from COVID is still much higher and more severe than any extreme adverse reaction to the vaccine.
     
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    Source?
     
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    So the rate of people who die after a vaccination (which doesn't mean the vaccine was the cause of death) is 0.0027%

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

    Of Children who have a COVID infection, 3% will have longer lasting cognitive issues beyond 8 weeks (aka some form of brain damage). It's still too early to understand what the long term effects of this will be on children as they get older.
    https://scienceblog.cincinnatichildrens.org/how-covid-19-can-affect-a-childs-brain/
     
  17. AroundTheWorld

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    Thanks, these stats on children are nonsense, probably propagated by members of the zero covid sect. 3% of children having brain damage after Covid - no way.
     
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    No way? Based on what?

    Do you just discount studies you don't like?

    What reason do you have for discounting the figures?

    I'm asking because I want to make the best determination. Every single side posts different studies. Why are these numbers not valid?
     
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    lol

    I know Bob. He has gone off the rails since Covid started. Tunnel vision. Sadly, my friend Eric Topol is a bit similar.

    These dudes wrote great books, then ended up spending too much time on Twitter.
     

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