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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    No opinion? You think it is OK for the governor of the state you live in to use money budgeted for the state to transport immigrants out of Florida instead to transport asylum seekers from Texas? (it can also be argued that asylum seekers aren't unauthorized, especially considering some, if not all, had appointments set up to discuss their status)

    Here is the budget item...

    The Fiscal Year 2022-23 Budget creates a $12 million program within the
    Florida Department of Transportation to facilitate the transport of
    unauthorized aliens out of Florida.
     
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  2. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    don't know

    if they entered illegally and you "assist" them by moving them again, you may argue it's continuing the gaining of illegal entry

    but we still don't have the full details

    how many were seeking asylum, did they apply, were any processed, were some simply undocumented immigrants, did some enter illegally...

    there are also reports that these migrants were lied to (false promise of work and housing) and accusations that someone help falsify information to set them up for automatic deportations... once the investigation (if there is even one) is done, we'll know if there is any legal issue related to those

    the migrants themselves do have rights... if they are harmed by this scheme (e.g. asylum seekers deported due to it), they can sue the governor for harm done

    there could be some legal exposure to using FL funds inappropriately

    ...
     
  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I wonder if that is the reason the plane landed in Florida before heading off to Massachusetts - so that DeSantis can claim he sent them from Florida.
     
  4. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    lol, probably
     
  5. wekko368

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    Sounds like a weak argument. How can you enter a country anywhere but at its borders? Also, if they're claiming asylum, is it considered an illegal entry?
     
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    People fly in to the United States from out of the country and land in cities that aren't at the border all the time.
     
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  8. Amiga

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    I'm guessing the law is not written to restrict it to simply at the point of entry. Imagine a case where a group was smuggled over the border and then they were picked up by a driver to continue to their destination...

    two separate things; you can apply for asylum regardless of your immigration status (with restrictions)

    so yes, you can enter "illegally" and if not currently under removal proceedings, legally apply for asylum; even during removal proceedings, you may still be eligible for asylum as a defense against removal
     
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    Which is why we need more personnel to process asylum hearings. Why have Republicans cut and denied attempts to increase them?
     
  10. wekko368

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    They may have landed in interior cities, but they entered at the border.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    If someone is in the US illegally ICE can arrest them anywhere whether it’s at a border or not. Moving people who have come across the border illegally within the country and knowing they are here illegally would be abetting a crime.
     
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    But that's one single entity facilitating them across the border to their destination.

    In this instance, they gained entry themselves, and a separate entity took them from Point A to Point B.

    Do you see the difference?
     
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    Dumb@$$ Republicans thinks wasting tax payers money to transport immigrants to democratic cities is sendin a message.

    Party of law and order always breaking the rules when it suits their needs. Political stunt
     
  14. Amiga

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    I'm guessing that the law is not written that narrow. EDIT: see below for a potential crime

    We don't know the fact surrounding this (if they gained entry themselves or smuggled in)

    Either way, if once they are here "illegally" and you know that but continue to transport them... you may be committing a crime

    I will stop here; this is stuff for prosecutors and lawyers and I ain't any of that

    USC 1324

    (a) Criminal penalties
    (1)(A) Any person who-
    (ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;
     
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    As I understand it, after applying for asylum, an immigrant can't be deported until a decision has been made. Until then, they are free to travel throughout the country. Is that incorrect?
     
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    They flew over a border. How is that relevant?
     
  17. wekko368

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    How is your example relevant? Before flying into the US, travelers must prove that they have permission to enter the US.
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    They have different scheduled appearances, must provide an address, etc.
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    My examples show they don't have to enter at the border.
     
  20. wekko368

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    Sure, but they're allowed to travel freely within the US, correct? Or is that incorrect?
     

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