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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    @FranchiseBlade posted a link that the IG still found the investigation warranted.

    As far as the evidence that an investigation was warranted you don’t even need to read that. Trump met with Russian assets at Trump tower and publicly called for Russia to help him in the election.
     
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  2. ROXRAN

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    Here’s what we know on some of the disinformation…
    THE DEMOCRACY INTEGRITY PROJECT
    The Democracy Integrity Project (TDIP) funds and promotes the work of people and organizations linked to the discredited “Steele dossier.” A March 2019 report from Real Clear Investigations stated TDIP had hired both Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele as part of TDIP’s “ambitious goal” of “continuing the Clinton-funded investigation into alleged Trump/Russia ties that began in 2016, and then sharing findings with news outlets, congressional investigators and federal agents.” [530]

    Real Clear Investigations reported TDIP was engaged in an “elaborate media-influence operation that includes driving and shaping daily coverage of the Russia collusion theory, as well as pushing stories about Trump in the national media that attempt to tie the president or his associates to the Kremlin.” One favored TDIP tactic was giving rumors and tips to the FBI and then quickly claiming to media that federal law enforcement was aware of the TDIP-fueled information and investigating it. TDIP summarized and pushed out its work in a daily email—headlined “TDIP Research”—that was sent to Congressional Democrats and political journalists. [531]

    TDIP aggressively promoted the Steele dossier allegation that a secret computer line of communication tied Trump Tower to a Russian bank. The Department of Justice Inspector General report later found that the FBI had investigated and debunked the allegation in February 2017. Left-leaning journalist Glenn Greenwald awarded the Alfa Bank rumor with fifth place on his list of “The 10 Worst, Most Embarrassing U.S. Media Failures on the Trump-Russia Story.” [532] [533]

    After the election, according to Real Clear Investigations, TDIP president Daniel Joneshired a new and larger team of computer experts to look into the Alfa claim. He sent this new research to the FBI in March 2017, but federal law enforcement officers discovered the allegedly incriminating “evidence” was merely spam emails sent through a Pennsylvania company that housed a Trump Organization server but was not otherwise connected to the Trump Organization or presidential campaign. [534]

    Starting in January 2019, according to Real Clear Investigations, TDIP used its daily newsletter to promote to Washington, D.C. reporters the since-debunked rumor that one-time Trump lawyer Michael Cohen traveled to Prague, Czech Republic, to plot computer hacking against the Hillary Clinton campaign with Russian government representatives. [535] According to the New York Times, the 2019 report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller later “found that Mr. Cohen never traveled to Prague.” [536] Similarly, the Department of Justice Inspector General’s report discusses this allegation in three places, each time clarifying that the FBI investigated and found the assertions about Cohen “not true” or “inaccurate.” [537]

    “Although the Cohen-in-Prague story appears to be fiction,” noted the Real Clear Investigations report in March 2019, “TDIP keeps pushing it through its bulletins.” [538]

    According to a May 2020 report from Real Clear Investigations, citing witness testimony from a Congressional investigation, several top aides and allies from Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign held meetings just weeks after the inauguration of President Donald Trump that led to the creation of The Democracy Integrity Project (TDIP). [539]

    In December 2017, Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and former Hillary Clinton foreign policy advisor Jake Sullivan separately told a U.S. House committee that that in February 2017 they met with Fusion GPS co-founders Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch and future TDIP president Daniel Jones. Podesta stated Jones and the Fusion GPS team “were interested in trying to raise money to continue their efforts to investigate the Russian interference in the campaign.” [540]

    According to Real Clear Investigations, “Podesta said he agreed to help the trio open doors to big Democratic fund-raisers and sit down for press interviews and documentaries regarding any ‘new developments’ uncovered by dossier author and former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele,” and that Podesta’s assistance led to TDIP raising more than $7 million in 2017. [541]

    In its March 2019 report Real Clear Investigations reported TDIP had raised “more than $9 million,” with major support coming from major left-leaning donors such as billionaires Tom Steyer ($2.1 million) and George Soros ($1 million). [542] A report from the Daily Caller News Foundation quoted TDIP president Daniel Jones boasting to FBI investigators that he had raised $50 million from fewer than a dozen donors in California and New York. [543]
     
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  3. ROXRAN

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    Also I love the Russia email joke - it’s a joke which is a lot better joke than what TDIP attempted in my post above ..
     
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  4. FranchiseBlade

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    The judge commenting on Barr lying for Trump was not opinion.
     
  5. ROXRAN

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    If anyone doesn’t know the bias implications of TDIP - this tell you all you need to know :
    The Democracy Integrity Project (TDIP) is an advocacy group that purports to investigate interference in American and international elections by hostile foreign powers. Its work is based heavily on research and information generated by individuals and organizations behind the 2016 “Steele dossier” of unsubstantiated attacks on Donald Trump. [1][2]


    Location:
    MCLEAN, VA

    Tax ID:
    81-5223488

    Tax-Exempt Status:
    501(c)(4)

    Formation:
    2017

    Founder:
    Daniel J. Jones


    It is one of three related organizations run by Daniel J. Jones, a former FBI analyst and staffer for Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and the Senate Intelligence Committee, who was instrumental in publicizing information about the CIA’s detention and interrogation practices during the War on Terror.
     
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  6. ROXRAN

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    That seems incorrect from the findings …
    Mueller also said in his report that his investigation found no "documentary" evidence that then-candidate Trump knew about the meeting in advance.

    "According to written answers submitted by President Trump, he has no recollection of learning of the meeting at the time, and the Office found no documentary evidence showing that he was made aware of the meeting — or its Russian connection — before it occurred," Mueller wrote in his report.
     
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  7. ROXRAN

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    Again NO collusion…if anything TDIP seemed to engage in collusion based on blatant lies and mistruths that were also proven by Mueller - gotta love that waste of taxpayer money
     
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  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Meeting with a Russian intelligence officer and handing over confidential information in exchange for help with the election isn't collusion?

    What do you call that?

    Trump's campaign manager already confessed to it.
     
  9. ROXRAN

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    Here is what it’s called : Mueller also said in his report that his investigation found no "documentary" evidence that then-candidate Trump knew about the meeting in advance.
     
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  10. ROXRAN

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    What do we call TDIP blatantly making up information? Keep in mind several top aides and allies from Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign held meetings just weeks after the inauguration of President Donald Trump that led to the creation ofTheDemocracy Integrity Project (TDIP) - this very entity that had a stake in going against Trump due to ties with Clinton and of course they would make sh.it up lol
     
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  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Not knowing about it is difference than not colluding. Mueller also said part of the problem was that he and his sons didn't know it was a crime. That's very different than not colluding. They absolutely colluded and have admitted to it.
     
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    Republicans?
     
  13. ROXRAN

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    Again no conviction of collusion based on Mueller’s reasoning is still no collusion
     
  14. ROXRAN

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    Maybe it would be if it didn’t originate from Hillary’s team
     
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  15. FranchiseBlade

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    There is no crime called collusion. That is not the name of a crime.

    It is impossible of anyone to be convicted of it.

    But it is entirely possible for a presidential campaign to collude with national adversaries such as the Russians in exchange for help in winning an election.

    We know that's possible because Trump's campaign did collude with the Russians in exchange for help with the election.

    That is collusion.

    There is no crime called collusion.
     
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  16. ROXRAN

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    I am well aware there is no crime called collusion but what we do know is that the hot water issue is the exchange of information as such Trump Jr. and the Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya have said information about Clinton was never exchanged at the meeting...and Mueller did not determine whether Trump was aware …

    perhaps if Trump formed TDIP it would be more legal however wrong
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    More on Trump and the established collaboration with the Russians.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

     
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  18. FranchiseBlade

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    If you look at the evidence provided, it's quite clear.
     
  19. ROXRAN

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    I did the evidence is amiss
    Mueller said in his report that investigators did not believe they could prove Trump Jr. acted "willfully" when he possibly violated campaign finance law.

    "The Report confirms that the June 9, 2016 meeting was just what Don said it was, and nothing more, and that there was nothing improper about potentially listening to information," Trump Jr.'s attorney, Alan Futerfas, said in a statement Thursday, responding to the release of Mueller's report.

    no type of evidence that supported collusion as determined by a better authority than you
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    Willfully means he didn't know it was a crime. The crime was committed but this case he was so ignorant he didn't know the law.

    This was one incident where ignorance of the law actually was an excuse.

    The evidence that the criminal actions weren't in question. Trump and his campaign colluded.
     

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