The reality is some jobs are socially highly respected but economically disrespected. They are socially respected because they are seen as important to society almost to the point of doing God's Work HOWEVER - they are expected to be Jesus and work for little to no money When it comes time for compensation we hear alot of "Well anyone can ___ (teach, Nurse,etc)" When they demand to be compensated people are OUTRAGED .. . HOW COULD THEY?!?!?!?!? Their so important they should continue to work while they negotiate . . . knowing that while they work their negotiation position goes to **** We rely on them to be "Good people" "Good Citizens" We take them for granted. We just EXPECT them to be there no matter how sh!tty we treat them and when they not .. . .we get OUTRAGED!! Meanwhile . . . just about every other position . . no one cares how they negotiate or how much they get CEOs with Golden Parachutes for doing sh!tty jobs . . . no one bats an eye but a Nurse want a patient ratio of 5:1 instead of 10:1 . . .well They are just crazy!!! Rocket River
dude what the **** are you talking about?!? I'm so lost, you clearly have a personal agenda because you're misrepresenting even the most fundamental and basic things. But FYI, if you don't convey your own order that is MALPRACTICE. You can do a verbal order (should be done minimally or for small things if a nurse or whoever is close by). At close to a 100% of places that are EMR driven, even giving someone your login is grounds for losing your license. Again, you're living in some alternate universe but sounds like you have a habit of printing the "how to" out for things like surgery having never been a part of it or even the slightest clue about what you're talking about. Theres no point in convincing someone that has some grudge
What percentage of Hospital Spending is not related to patient care? i.e. Administration/Advertising/MArketing/etc Rocket River
nurses need to be paid MORE, maybe not 30% more they have a good gig working 3ish shifts a week. But to your point, that is not the case about "working while they negotiate", that's what drove this whole quitting and traveling gig. They do PRN (as needed shifts). They unionize. A good nurse is worth his/her weight in gold and I think they should be compensated more. The only people that dont have a union and force to work are the ones I alluded to earlier. If they did I think hospital administration would be forced cave (they account for some crazy number like 80% of expenditure).
I think a lot of what I'm saying is getting misconstrued. I'm not saying that's how it always is or that staffing ratios are the same day in and day out, I'm pointing out that @Sajan saying that a surgeon can't do anything without an OR nurse (probably the one environment to absorb their loss the best), or even other doctors is straight up b.s. The other aspect is the fact that they're the only ones getting overburdened. I was given 1 mask every 2 weeks during COVID, got super sick as a result and didn't see my parents or anyone for 6 months eventually ---almost missing my dad's funeral and probably the last time I had to spend with him. The hospital slapped some insulting hazard pay onto me and others the turf some litigation that might have resulted otherwise. That same week I saw another guy code his dad and show up to work 4 days later. Everybody has stories like these but with respect to physicians you don't hear about it because its tabboo and appears "weak" to complain. Respiratory therapists are probably the biggest unsung heroes of the pandemic, routinely suctioning and turning patients being exposed to the most secretions. These people are ALSO being asked to do more, are overburdened, and in the case of docs having their pay cut year after year. I would say the point a lot of folks are making is pretty narrow minded and grounded in emotion/bias as opposed to being objective when "nurses are the ones that are overburdened!" I've said it a 100x in this thread and others..Nurses need to be getting paid more, it is inexcusable for admin to pocket off everyone's backs. Nurses are also no more special than resp therapist , nurse aid or anyone else. Its a team effort and everyone is affected, the mere notion of expressing that apparently is too much. A good doctor, and a good nurse will tell you the same, as will a good aide, resp therapist and everyone else. Everybody does a valuable role.
You clearly don't remember or weren't part of the transition from paper orders to EMR order entry. No one said the orders weren't under the doctors name...you fool. During the paper ordering era, orders were "written" for the physician who looked over it and signed. The effort was by residents/NPs/ and some cases pharmacists. When the switch happened, there were temper tantrums thrown by physicians. I saw keyboards being thrown. I heard "i didn't go to med school to become a secretary..." "it's death by a thousand clicks". Call an on-call provider at 6pm saying BP is 180/100.....and response is "what y'all typically give.." Hospitals put up with doctors and their behaviors because they bring in the money but usually the ones getting dumped on are nurses. PT doesn't show up? oh the nurse will walk the patient. transport doesn't come to pick up the patient to take to CT? "the nurse can take him down.....it's fine she has to hang chemo for 2 other patients at the same time"
lol.. Pre pandemic...respiratory therapists came around once a day, slap on a breathing treatment and don't even come back to take it off. Never to be seen again that shift... Now they are just as valuable as a nurse. Right.
I did hand charts, I’m sorry that your anecdotal experience of some doctor being mean to you or you not getting into medical school has hurt your fee fees up until this day. I think you have some insecurities to sort out, but yea someone not putting in their own orders or putting in 100% verbals etc even with the transition to EMR being wide spread is a fairy tail. If it’s anything like your “OR flow” it’s safe to say you’re out of your depth breh. Sit down, or please tel us how surgery works lol
I searched for and counted people in the company directory with 'Vice President' in their title once, there were 67. This was before 'Associate Vice President' became a thing. I bet it tripled that number. What a circle-jerk.
Idk, who do you think managed the ventilator, secretions, is at bedside for every intubation? So now you want to disparage resp therapists? Again, you have insecurities or deep issues best done with people you can pay for it I feel like I’m speaking to a college freshman, I refuse to believe you were ever in the hospital and hope that has ceased at this point Mr I know how surgery works. i can’t teach basic things here , I won’t argue with you anymore. Ignorance is bliss
lol. resorting to personal attacks..ok then. been in the industry for quite a while now. i work with your kind all day every day. and since you said it, no i didn't and ever want to go to med school. bohoo you had some tough time during covid. everyone in the healthcare industry did. no one's going to feel sorry for doctors. sorry bro if you were looking for sympathy.
Nurses in Minnesota are averaging $43 an hour. In some states nurses are averaging upwards of $60-70 an hour. I don't think a lot of people are going to be sympathetic to their plight.
How about this. Most people probably don't feel to sorry for doctors or nurses... because neither really deserve sympathy. It is a hard job with strong financial pay off. Now nurses want more, maybe they get it or maybe they don't.... but I don't think many people will feel bad for them.
my post started with “everybody has been overburdened not just nurses”, so you’re arguing the same thing I’m saying but really are too incompetent or illiterate to read it. If you work with my kind all day, the reason we’re assholes to you is because stupidity kills in our field. When we deal with stupid and incompetent people like you, others loved ones suffer. Just some food for thought, you might be the problem
Anywho. Back to topic at hand. Overall employment of physicians and surgeons is projected to grow 3 percent from 2021 to 2031, slower than the average for all occupations. Despite limited employment growth, about 23,800 openings for physicians and surgeons are projected each year, on average, over the decade. Employment of registered nurses is projected to grow 6 percent from 2021 to 2031, about as fast as the average for all occupations. About 203,200 openings for registered nurses are projected each year, on average, over the decade. A shortage of nursing school faculty is restricting nursing program enrollments. A significant segment of the nursing workforce is nearing retirement age.
