I also brought up non rookie SGA and non rookie DeArron Fox.....but you don't want to acknowledge that Porters number scored higher in many stats vs those guys making $30M. So keep rambling yourself loser. Scorecard so far: Those who want Porter extended near......in the middle.......Those who think $14M $9M or don't want him................................around $12M......to $19M looks like a bargain ,..................................................................................................with new TV deal coming .....................................................................................................[ The Correct Side ] Reeko...........................................................DaDakota...................ApacheWarrior Sam Fisher.......................................................................................Verbal Christ Corrosion..........................................................................................jiggyfly King1..............................................................................................BobbytheGreat Believe it............................................................................................D-rock Alph Sengun......................................................................................maj21 Astrorule Sorry for those I left off. Still time to make a claim....or not. It's ok.
The problem is kpj has been in the league for 3 years, not 1, and has been horrific for all 3. Is it possible he has a career trajectory where he’s THIS bad his first 3 years and then explodes? Yes, it’s possible. Is it likely? I don’t believe so.
I don’t know if pointing to a rookie with similar stats to a 3rd year player really helps your point. And I also don’t think you can point to players with similar stats and say that they should have the same contract. There are too many things that go into those decisions. One of them is what a team has invested in that player. A team that spent a high draft pick (like top 5) on a player has a lot invested in them because they saw something special. They are usually more committed to that player and, maybe even to their detriment, willing to continue tge pursuit of specialness long term. Those top picks already have a lot of money invested in them and smart teams already have that second contract figured in. Players getting paid $20mm on their second contract were very likely high draft picks who were already making decent money. Another scenario that could get a guy paid is contributing significantly to a winning team. It’s probably rare for a rookie contract player to crack the rotation for a good playoff team, but Jordan Poole was able to do it and will surely get rewarded. Brunson contributed to a WCF team, but was already 26 years old after playing 3 years of college and 4 in the NBA. Both of those players were clearly better than KPJ last year. The Rockets have very little invested in KPJ, so it’s not like they have to try to extract value from the sunk cost of a high pick. And he hasn’t proven to be some special ingredient to a winning formula. He has had to change positions (for whatever reason) and been inefficient and inconsistent in his new role. While I say all of the above, I will also say that KPJ has shown some flashes and has legitimate starter potential. I would love to have him realize that potential and be a Rocket long term, but I haven’t seen enough for the Rockets to start bidding against themselves for a player that will be a RFA next year. If he doesn’t want to accept a Tate level, that’s fine. If he doesn’t break out next year, we are either going to have to draft a replacement or get one through free agency at market level price. There is simply no reason to start trying to anticipate the market now and pay a player money for an anticipated level o play that he had not reached yet.
Your definition of "horrific" is another mans "hopeful" that is the extreme of the conversation because its not totally on your side either there is a middle ground but few fans are trying to meet in the middle which is fine. I see special talents that need to come together consistently. Not all players are defined after 3 years in the league.
Yes, if Cade Cunningham doesn't improve his efficiency, he probably will end up like KPJ is now. KPJ's TS% is generally only better than rookies (maybe some sophomores), Westbrook-style ball hogs (high usage, low TS%, high turnovers), bad players, or defense-only players. The NBA is not kind to rookies, generally. I guess Cade Cunningham will have a higher TS% than 0.531 or have a higher ass/TO rate than 1.96 this coming season depending on if uses his playmaking for himself or for teammates.
You forget 4 guys sitting in the paint every possession If you were a defensive coordinator you are going to tell me you would have your players guard Theis, Sengun, Tate, Kenyon, KPJ/Green (the first half of the season).......at the 3-pt line. You would make a piss-poor defensive coordinator
Absolutely, if I thought he had no chance to improve then I would want him cut or benched. In 3 years, he has accumulated 1.1 win shares and -0.7 vorp. Shai for example had triple the WS in just his rookie season and eclipsed his vorp also with just his rookie season. My entire argument was that i need to see ONE season where he isn’t absolutely horrible before i would commit to paying him (he will always have some risk with his other issues but in general i rather take a chance on him if he shows significant growth).
SGA averaged 19, 6, and 3 and 24, 5, and 6 on 62% TS before he received his extension…his numbers and advanced stats blow KPJr’s out the water…stop embarrassing yourself OKC has been dead last in offensive efficiency the past 2 years…OKC has ranked 29th and 30th in 3 point field goal percentage the past 2 years Shai has played with less offensive talent and spacing than KPJr the Great yet has still been good no one except a delusional fanboi would mention someone like SGA bringing up a rookie Cade Cunningham is just dumb, period
Dude none of this has any bearing on a team this bad and its hypothetical that those points means 5 more wins thats not an automatic you are projecting things to fit your argument. I understand numbers fine, and I understand that you are using raw numbers to create a narrative and that's not how the real world works and on top of that you are trying to use those numbers as if this team would have been much better by winning 5 more games. You are all over the place trying to create a narrative that 72 points over an 82 game season actually means something on a team who was the worst team in basketball, that's what I can't believe. Yes there is a minimal difference in one player shooting 36% to 40% and your own numbers show it to be true its 72 points over 82 games less than a point per game, how is that not minimal?
Yeah it's really hilarious to compare the overall 1st pick in a draft that most people thought had 3 top prospects to guy who was drafted at the end of the 1st round. And Cade is only one year younger than KPJ, imagine that, indeed. The desperation to **** on KPJ at every turn is not hilarious, it's sad.
There needs to be an LOL option as a reaction to your posts man, i’m still undecided if you’re just trolling. This is like an Onion headline “update! Efficiency and percentages in the nba actually don’t matter! Westbrook voted mvp again!
I never said efficiency and percentages in the NBA don't matter, it seems you have comprehension issues. Or you just like to deflect and create strawmen. Not surprised because you don't seem very bright and its easier to deflect and straw man than say something pertinent.
You literally said in your post that FOUR percent is a MINIMAL difference. YOU said that, I didn’t put words in your mouth there. The difference between the number 1 3pt shooting team and #26 was less then 4%….
Far more than u little boy. I actually understand advanced stats, your dumbass doesn’t but pretends to, then tries to argue with people who know what they are talking about getting absolutely schooled in the process.
There is always nuance involved with advanced stats Im assuming you understand that as you are using that single angle with your pessimism regarding KPJ which is fine. Win shares require teams and players to WIN being a cumulative stat. KPJ has been part of two rebuilds and one obvious tank job last season. I guess I weigh more towards eye test however irrational it may be. Shai had the luxury of playing for Doc Rivers and a team with infinitely better fitting pieces and talent overall his rookie year, but I might even agree that Shai is just a better player than KPJ there's nothing wrong with that. Looking for statistical comps in trying to reduce a player is easy - so where lies the promise with young players still carving out a niche? You are toeing a line just in case you are wrong which is sensible, but if you're argument is that KPJ is "horrific" based on advanced stats then you win the argument and should stay stoic throughout. Things are never that black and white though so I'll continue to expect more from the player instead of expecting less because thats just the way I choose to fan. Hopefully Scoot gives you that season you're looking for.
