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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Not too surprising that people who provide care for the elderly, the young, the mentally ill — as well as study the spread of infectious diseases that disproportionately affect poor, urban communities — would lean left.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    The more the right comes out against education and science, the more that trend will continue.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    The mistake in your thinking is that you appear to think "science" means taking one opinion of many in a scientific discourse and trying to stifle and mute other scientific opinions. That's what the Left has been trying to do. Science is about allowing free discourse. The Left has been trying to instrumentalize de facto town hall social media platforms to only allow the viewpoint they choose to be heard.

    Speaking up against that is not "right" or "left", it's the right thing to do. Some things that were censored as conspiracy theories have turned out to be true.
     
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    No. Look at climate change. I'm talking about science.

    The left has been trying to stop the right from claiming crap that isn't science as science
     
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    So you think there is only one "science" when it comes to climate change and that everyone who disagrees should be muted?

    You don't even dispute that the left has been trying to silence dissenting opinions, you admit it.
     
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    I never said that anyone at all should be muted. Never suggested that. There is only one set of data. It changes and people can and should be trying to look at methodology and studies to make sure we have the best data.

    But trying to omit data, skew the criteria to deny data. That isn't impartial. And that isn't science.
     
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    Data mostly means nothing without proper interpretation of it.

    You literally said

    So yes, you seemed to approve of one side trying to silence the other.
     
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    It’s possible to set up virtual “town halls” online. Social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter aren’t de facto town halls and they aren’t designed to function as them. Users are blasted with algorithm-filtered data feeds that are specifically optimized for engagement. That’s definitely not how town halls work. There really is no offline analog to what social media networking has turned into.
     
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    I see it like Texas.

    https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/...y-public-square-in-defense-of-censorship-law/
     
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    OK. This rests on the idea that social media platforms function like a public square. They do not. They rely on proprietary technology for disseminating content and advertisements between users. There’s no good argument for forcing these companies to allow their technology to be exploited by users for malicious purposes — including outright deception.
     
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    That's your opinion. Many lawyers disagree about them functioning like a public square.

    Who do you think should determine what is "malicious" and what isn't? You? Leftist Twitter censors? The government as it sees fit?
     
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    Haha, yes I get that. And I suppose there may also be lawyers who agree with me?
     
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    As with anything, 2 lawyers, 3 opinions.
     
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    No they can still say whatever. They just can't claim its science.

    I agree misinterpreting data is wrong. That's what should be corrected and called when it happens. Calling that out is actual science.

    I never said anyone should be silenced. I didn't say it in the quote you provided. It simply isn't a belief of mine at all.
     
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    But your wording gave that impression. "stop the right from claiming" instead of "correcting/disputing the claims by the right".
     
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    Yes. Sorry for the confusion. I mean don't let them get away with it. Call them out when they do it.
     
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    Ultimately, Twitter decides how its platform works and its terms of service. Twitter should be more transparent in how it enforces its ToS and strive to remove ambiguity from it. Users can leave if they find the terms unacceptable, and Twitter can refine if they want to retain those users.

    If people want an online public square, maybe something like IRC is what they should be using.
     
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    New Zealand completely re-opens borders for everybody, no vaccination or covid tests are required for any travelers. A somewhat overnight drop from their previous stance of no entry without being fully vaccinated. Also dropped all mask requirements.

    The single most stringent western country that did the hardest lockdown has now dropped virtually all restrictions. This is something many conspiracists swore would never happen... "Once you give a Gov power they will never give it back" and whatnot.

    NZ is the 2nd most obese western country in the world, not far behind the USA. As of this point NZ still has an estimated negative excess deaths over the last 2 years, meaning their population's life expectancy has been increasing throughout the entire pandemic. A stark contrast to the US which has lost 2+ years and has had a hoard of excess deaths, NZ life expectancy is 82 and the US now 76.

    Interesting stuff
     
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    Nice way to spin it. The real way to look at it is that they could no longer keep up the lie that they were right.
     

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