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Breaking: FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by larsv8, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. rimrocker

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    Nah. Barr realizes Trump's a losing cause who cannot win an honest election and wants to untether Trump from MAGA. He's out there encouraging Democrats to do the dirty work Republicans have refused to do and prepping the rabids so the Republican establishment can walk away with as little damage as possible. It will likely work because Democrats, non-Trumpy Repubs, and law enforcement (who will get painted as Democrats) will do their duty.
     
  2. Rashmon

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    Ignore the troll. He revels in it when you take the bait. Take solace in the fact that he may be sentient enough to realize what a loser he is to share a world view with the likes of the usual dip$hit suspects around here.
     
  3. durvasa

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    It’s not enough for Trump to disappear from public life. I don’t care too much if he is personably punished, but we need to reach a point as a country where there is a common understanding of just how awful he and his movement is/was.
     
  4. Reeko

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    Trump Told White House Team He Needed to Protect ‘Russiagate’ Documents
    The former president, who left the White House with a trove of sensitive material, believes there are documents that would expose a Deep State plot against him — and told confidants he needed to protect them from the next administration

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...ump-russia-investigation-maralago-1234588357/

    excerpt:

    IN HIS FINAL days in the White House, Donald Trump told top advisers he needed to preserve certain Russia-related documents to keep his enemies from destroying them.

    The documents related to the federal investigation into Russian election meddling and alleged collusion with Trump’s campaign. At the end of his presidency, Trump and his team pushed to declassify these so-called “Russiagate” documents, believing they would expose a “Deep State” plot against him.

    According to a person with direct knowledge of the situation and another source briefed on the matter, Trump told several people working in and outside the White House that he was concerned Joe Biden’s incoming administration — or the “Deep State” — would supposedly “shred,” bury, or destroy “the evidence” that Trump was somehow wronged.

    Trump’s concern about preserving the Russia-related material is newly relevant after an FBI search turned up a trove of government documents at the former president’s Mar-a-Lago residence.

    Since the search, Trump has refused to say which classified government papers and top-secret documents he had at Mar-a-Lago and what was the FBI had seized. (Trump considers the documents “mine” and has directed his lawyers to make that widely-panned argument in court.) The feds have publicly released little about the search and its results. It’s unclear if any of the materials in Trump’s document trove are related to Russia or the election interference investigation. A Trump spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.

    more at the link

     
  8. durvasa

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    Trump would have leaked any such documents to the press already, if he had them.
     
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  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Makes Trump sound delusional. What enemies was he talking about?

    Anything in there that would have helped clear his name or damage his enemies, would have been made public long ago.
     
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  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    He will leak them once he is rightfully installed back in office in 2 weeks.
     
  11. Rashmon

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    Even Esper is jumping ship but you dip$hitters (and moderate democrat) keep defending his every lie...

    'Very troubling': Trump's former Pentagon chief says nuclear docs at Mar-a-Lago 'should have never happened'

    On CNN Wednesday, former President Donald Trump's Defense Secretary Mark Esper laid bare the severe threat his former boss created by smuggling classified foreign nuclear intelligence to his Mar-a-Lago country club in Palm Beach, Florida.

    "With regard to the nuclear documents at Mar-a-Lago, it is very, very troubling that this type of information would be there, anywhere for that matter," said Esper, who was fired by Trump in the waning months of his presidency for opposing the deployment of active-duty troops against civil rights protesters. "We know at this point that there's been, over a period of months, 300 classified documents found at Mar-a-Lago. And that simply should have never happened in the first place."

    "We spoke this morning with David Sanger of The New York Times, who said Trump was significantly more interested in the nuclear weapons efforts of North Korea and Iran than other countries," said anchor Brianna Keilar. "To be clear, we don't know from this report which country this is talking about. Do you expect that this was information about the military, though, of an American adversary?"

    "Well, we simply don't know," said Esper. "But we don't know whether it was a friend or a foe, and the issue is not just about the content of the report, but what it may reveal about our sources and methods and capabilities to find out and learn about another country's military capabilities. So that is a particular concern as well, which why I think it is all the more important that the intelligence community quickly conduct its risk assessment of what may or may not have been released at Mar-a-Lago."

    Esper proceeded to outline that risk in greater detail.

    "You don't want your adversaries to know that you know what they have or what they can do because otherwise they change their capabilities, they change their own security procedures, et cetera," said Esper. "The same is true, of course, by the sources and methods. You don't want them to know how you're getting that information, whether through signals intelligence, human intelligence, you know, overhead surveillance, you name it. You safeguard all those things, because otherwise you compromise your access and thus your own nation's security. And that would be my principle concern, and I'm sure a concern of most national security officials."
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    Trump's defenders floated a variation of this before. If Trump is holding onto documents that implicate people or institutions in wrong doing against him he could've declassified it while President and made it public. That he's holding onto it for blackmail or "insurance" purposes would still be a crime of holding onto classified material he's not legally entitled too and also obstruction of justice if they were evidence of a crime.
     
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  13. durvasa

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    And, in any case, what Trump believes or claims to be evidence of wrong-doing by his political enemies can't be trusted, as indicated by his made up election fraud claims. He has zero credibility.
     
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  14. Invisible Fan

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    For all his paranoia against leakers, it turns out he was leaking himself.

    I hope he waves his 5th Amendment rights and uses this line of defense.
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    as long as we get to see the original pee tape at his trial
     
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  16. justtxyank

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    So...

    Donald Trump had the power to simply walk from his office to his bedroom and instantly anything in his hands was declassified (according to him and his supporters)

    BUT

    he also couldn't get the super amazing documents that proved his enemies were out to get him declassified so he had to take them when he was out of office or else the new admin would destroy them, losing forever the proof of the plot against him!

    The gymnastics here are ridiculous, and yes, posting articles from different people that propose wildly contradictory theories is in fact participating in the gymnastics.

    The position is "I like Trump and want to defend him so I'm willing to amplify literally any theory to defend or mitigate even if it means the one I amplified yesterday is BS."
     
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  18. rimrocker

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    Occam's Razor with regard to Trump suggests everything he says is both projection and admission. If he took Russia related records it wasn't to keep documents proving his innocence from being shredded but to destroy documents that proved his guilt.
     
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    just a coincidence I’m sure…

    her phone records need to be handed over
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    If you have nothing better to say than personal attacks against someone who actually doesn't personally attack people, you are embarrassing yourself.

    Whether you rightfully disagree with him on this matter (as I do) is a different question.
     

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