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Joe Biden's America

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  1. tinman

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    I would take the ppp loans for rockets season tickets
     
  2. Major

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    I can't speak for you, but the poorer people I know generally don't hate me for making more money than they do. Probably because I don't look down on them, as you seem to do.

    Uhh, why? State and local taxes are the most regressive. Income taxes are progressive. Property and sales taxes are regressive. Why would you think not including the primary sources of regressive taxes would change your analysis?

    Pretty sure poor people would love for there to be lower property taxes (in the forms of lower rents) and lower sales taxes.

    If the richest were being soaked so much, you'd think they'd be clamoring for a shift in the taxation system - but the current tax system is literally created entirely by the wealthy classes. Do you think they worked against their own interests? Maybe the obvious answer is the system works for them really well - which is how they make so much money in the first place.
     
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    Beyond traditional taxes, I dont know why we don't consider health care spending when calculating taxation costs. We already pay taxes tied to healthcare (FICA) but beyond that we should really consider employee health care spending in any tax calculation as it functions as a near mandatory levy that simply goes to private companies instead of directly to the government.

    And once you start thinking about health care spending as a tax, it looks really flipping regressive.

    1. Health care premiums aren't means tested and are simply employer negotiated. The employee making $40000 and the employee making $400000 are likely paying into the same plan at the same premium. But as a percentage of income, the lower income employee is paying a much larger share of his or her income towards their premium.

    2. People who work in industries with higher average education also tend to have better health plans. Effectively, they get more for every dollar spent on their premium.

    3. Out of pocket costs behave similarly. None of those costs are means tested and end up screwing lower income earners who simply have to pay much larger percentages of income on an essential service like health care.

    If you're wealthy, the US is a damn good country for health care but man if you're middle income its awful. This is the inverse of most countries that fund health care with employer and income taxes so health care spending becomes a progressive tax. Once you factor in health care spending, the US's vaunted advantage of lower taxes actually disappears and instead you discover how inefficient American taxation is.
     
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    ^Thats why young murcans can't be soft n weak...so they won't drain healthcare and let the Boomers eat up their entire fair share!

    Respect your elders, boy.
     
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    this article is out-dated, more than 10 years old


    since this article was written, the following tax loopholes have become law benefitting the top 1%
    • carried interest
    • elimination of alternative minimum tax.



    also, this article is less than honest,

    while including EITC (earned income tax credit) to the poor as a transfer payment; framing it as a federal spending.
    it refuses to do the same for tax loopholes (less tax revenue for the federal government) available only the uber rich

    had the article also include tax loopholes (less tax revenue for the Federal Gov),
    the data would show close to 100% of household receive more in transfer income than they pay in income tax.​
     
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    you didn't realize that the data is net of transfer income received and tax loopholes taken
     
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  8. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    They want to take more money from you, regardless of their feelings. If they really love you but want to take more from you anyway, that doesn't really speak well of them.
    Because in many cases state and local benefits will match or exceed the increase in taxation.
    Why would you assume lower property taxes would be passed down to renters? Landlords may just pocket the increased revenue. Property owners, who tend to have higher incomes, tend to pay the vast majority of property taxes. Why would the same not apply to corporate taxes? Aren't those passed down to consumers? Seems like you are being very selective in how you view which taxes are passed along and which are not.
    The system was implemented by the government who are elected by the people, the majority of whom end up with negative tax rates. I think the obvious answer is the masses have voted for a system that has the majority of the revenue coming from the more productive and the majority of the benefits going to the mass number of people.
    The "tax loopholes" are already included. They reduce the taxes paid. You can't double count them as a payment received by the person not making the payment. If you have 100 dollars and I reduce your taxes from 50 dollars to 25 dollars, then your net payment is 25 dollars, not 0 dollars because your taxes were lowered by 25 dollars. On the other hand, if you were paying 10 dollars and I give you back 20 dollars, your have paid -10 dollars.
     
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    again, you have poor reading comprehension.

    there no mentioning of tax loopholes in this article, 60 Percent of Households Now Receive More in Transfer Income Than they Pay in Taxes | Tax Foundation ., which you had refreneced.

    as i had stated earlier,

    had the article also include tax loopholes (less tax revenue for the Federal Gov),
    the data would show close to 100% of household receive more in transfer income than they pay in income tax.​

    you have no idea what ur talking. about.

    again, the article included the EITC (earned income tax credit for the poor) as a transfer income, and did not include tax loopholes
    your lack of understanding manifests itself.

    EITC and tax loopholes reduce the taxes paid; the article categorized EITC as transfer income and federal expenditure. but not so for tax loopholes
     
  10. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    When you calculate "What was paid in taxes," that automatically accounts for tax loopholes. In fact, this is where they included the EITC, as a reduction in the amount of tax paid, not as a transfer income. They listed the federal transfer incomes in a footnote (which references the CBO report, which also categorizes transfer payments in the before tax income, and the EITC in the amount of tax paid. So they are in fact treating the EITC and "tax loopholes" (which you for some reason differentiate from the EITC), as elements of the amount of tax paid, not as part of transfer income.

    Directly quoted from the report:
    As you can see, the poor receive a lot of transfer payments, but EITC is not included in this list, because it is a tax credit. EITC is also a refundable tax credit, which means it can drive your taxes below zero and the government is paying you.
     
  11. J.R.

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    Pedo Peter’s White Freak House

     
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    You're better than this...or maybe not. Keep it up and you'll be at @Commodore level...
     
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    Can I call you a pedo? It seems to be the rage these days to call random people pedos if you disagree with their politics. So I figured I would join the train.

    You diddle with kids?
     
  14. Amiga

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    Closer to home...

    Katy ISD accused of allowed racist taunting of Black athletes (houstonchronicle.com)

    A Katy ISD student’s mother, Lakeesha Adams, says that school officials failed to intervene as people in the crowd heckled and harassed Black volleyball players this weekend.

    What happened at the game? Jordan High Warriors fans began heckling Paetow High Panthers players, who are primarily Black and Hispanic, early in the game.

    Despite complaints from parents and coaches, nothing was done. Eventually the fans began to make monkey noises directed at the Paetow players. But again nothing was done.

    What’s happened since? Adams said she has since made formal complaints with Jordan High’s athletic director but has not yet heard back.

    District and school officials have declined to comment, although Katy ISD shared a letter with parents and staff in response to the incident that said some of the students had been identified.

    Adams said she doesn’t believe Katy ISD is doing enough, saying the lack of communication “to check on [the players] mental state after having to endure such heinous actions is disrespectful and concerning.”

    Is this an isolated incident? Similar racially charged incidents have occurred both locally and elsewhere in the country at recent sporting events.
    Last month, a BYU women’s volleyball fan yelled racial slurs at Rachel Richardson, a Black Duke player.

    On Friday night, a parent at a high school near San Antonio said students from Canyon High School yelled the N-word at her daughters during a volleyball game.

    Last thoughts: “They were quick to ban books but not protect children,” said Adams. “People will wear the girl’s number in support, but nothing is physically done. It’s the culture of what they’re accustomed to because there’s no repercussions.”
     
  15. jiggyfly

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    If you have been checking for him since the 20/20 election, it's obvious he is not.

    He is MAGA through and through.
     
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  16. jiggyfly

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    Yeah, something is in the air.

    I had to check a pharmacist yesterday because he got upset because I walked off when he was trying to lecture me.

    He actually said don't walk off when I am talking to you as if I was some kid, I mean he really got indignant.

    Then this little 5'5 cop tried to get involved, people are really feeling some kind of way and trying to exert authority any way they can, not going to be very peaceful after NOV.
     
  17. Sadat X

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    That about sums up todays shlt show
     
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  18. Andre0087

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    Republican Ralph Shortey, a former Oklahoma state senator, Drumpf's Oklahoma campaign chair to plead guilt to child sex trafficking

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...1BsxC_5uH8h1BBA4EGyqP_VMsrx7lSvoPX9Njjvt0oHK0

    Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was indicted on federal charges of structuring bank withdrawals after prosecutors alleged Hastert had molested at least four boys as young as 14 and attempted to compensate his victims and subsequently conceal the transactions. Hastert eventually admitted that he sexually abused the boys whom he had coached decades earlier, and was sentenced to fifteen months in prison.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/dennis-hastert-released.html

    Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Donald Drumpf’s presidential campaign in Kentucky, pled guilty to child sex trafficking and on February 11, 2018 he was sentenced to serve 20 years in prison.

    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ced-today-more-drama-could-get-way/577947002/

    Republican state Senator Ralph Shortey was indicted on four counts of human trafficking and child p*rnography. In November 2017, he pleaded guilty to one count of child sex trafficking in exchange for the dropping of the other charges.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...its-to-child-sex-trafficking-while-in-office/

    Republican Minnesota State Representative Jim Knoblach Drops Out Of Race After Daughter Says He Molested Her For More Than Ten Years 22 Sep 2018

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-her-more-than-decade/?utm_term=.8ac8527c7f43

    Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

    https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=28587

    Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

    http://www.lanternproject.org.uk/li...nty-commissioner-admits-sexual-abuse-of-girl/

    Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

    http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20120426/NEWS90/204260334

    Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Misla_Aldarondo

    Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano

    Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

    http://archive.easyreadernews.com/archives/news2001/0621/rb Shortridge.php

    Republican Senator Strom Thurmond, a notable racist, had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

    Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

    Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/nyregion/embroiled-first-selectman-takes-leave.html

    Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/25/us/teen-ager-in-ohio-testifies-to-sex-with-a-congressman.html

    Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child p*rn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...a10-b061-014de679422a/?utm_term=.d7ebcbf4f92b

    Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

    http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=437

    Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

    https://www.westword.com/news/randy...isoners-headed-to-state-supreme-court-6054115

    Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Crane

    Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/opinion/journal-beverly-russell-s-prayers.html

    Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauman

    Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

    http://www.njherald.com/article/20060510/ARTICLE/305109971

    Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

    https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawy...blican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same

    Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child p*rnography.

    Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/06/...te-again-faces-1990-child-sex-accusation.html

    Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

    http://www.thedp.com/article/2004/01/brother_stephen_convicted_of_soliciting_sex

    Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

    https://www.houstonpress.com/news/j...ffender-pulled-from-kpfts-prison-show-6740755

    Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

    Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

    https://culteducation.com/group/125...-man-in-notorious-sex-case-finishes-term.html

    Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

    https://www.semissourian.com/story/57773.html

    Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

    https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawy...blican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same

    Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

    http://www.chattanoogan.com/2002/6/21/23202/Tennessee-Legislator-Commits-Suicide.aspx

    Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Burt_(anti-abortion_activist)

    Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

    http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Oct/08/ln/hawaii710080338.html

    Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

    https://caselaw.findlaw.com/il-court-of-appeals/1113050.html

    Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2002/oct/14/assembly-candidate-gardner-ruled-ineligible-due-to/

    Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...cused-rapist-another-in-the-GOP-Hall-of-Shame
     
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    Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

    https://www.wgal.com/article/council-accepts-resignation-of-member-imprisoned-for-rape/6189408

    Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child p*rnography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

    http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october172007/repub_scandals_10_17_07.php

    Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child p*rnography was found in his possession.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2006/9/30/251895/-

    Missouri House member faces expulsion after investigation finds he sexually, physically abused his children https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/20/rick-roeber-abuse-missouri-house/

    Kansas House member Mark Samsel was arrested on charges of misdemeanor battery after getting into a physical altercation with a student while substitute teaching. Videos show Samsel focusing most of his attention on one male student. Samsel “put hands on the student” and allegedly kneed him in the crotch.

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article251069219.html

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    The husband of this hi school drop-out, now a GOP lawmaker from CO,
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    was convicted for lewd exposure after flashing his penis at youngsters at a bowling alley

    But the high school dropout rationalizes that

    ANTIFA Was Behind Her Husband’s Penis Exposure to Female Minors
     
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