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The state of the republican party

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  1. Roscoe Arbuckle

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    As opposed to the corrupt contracts handed out to greased hands by the Gov't? Here's the deal. A private company that does a crap job will stop getting new jobs. A Gov't crony? Not so much.
     
  2. Nook

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    I agree with this.

    I think there is an element of fatigue with voters when it comes to President Trump and that spills over into those that have been involved in his whole **** show, that includes Joe Biden.

    While a lot of people would be repulsed by some of his social positions, the bar has been lowered thanks to the last few elections and I believe a lot of people would be willing to over look it. Also, the LGBTQ+ movement isn't as popular as half the Democrats seem to think. There are a lot of people that are indifferent to it, or believe that economics and safety are more important.

    DeSantis has an excellent background from an educational stand point, from his military service and is as qualified as most candidates having ran Florida. He also has for the most part avoided scandal, and has usually come out on top.

    Even his initiatives that may not be popular with a lot of people, such as letting people without a college degree teach, are blunted by calling on veterans and other well thought of groups to do the teaching.

    I do not support DeSantis on his social policies, but as a leader he does at least appear to be competent and not corrupt or mired in scandal.

    DeSantis is also excellent at controlling the narrative and wrestling away power from opposition.

    There will still be cultural unrest with a DeSantis Presidency, and his archaic social policies may lead in the future to a more liberal candidate winning elections down the road - but for right now he is extremely electable at a time when the Republicans don't have many other options to thread the needle between keeping Trump voters and enough moderates.
     
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  3. justtxyank

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    This is a major generalization. There are plenty of teachers who stay teachers for a long time that are truly awful at teaching and have somewhere between apathy and dislike for the kids they teach. They are there because of some combination of not being able to get other jobs in that pay scale, the schedule, retirement programs, etc.

    There are good teachers. It's a hard job. It's a vital job. There should be more pay available. BUT we shouldn't pretend that all teachers are heroes.
     
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    I think it's more than indifference at this point and I agree with you that liberals are really misreading the room on this. It's literally every day for me where a client gripes about LGBTQ issues being "shoved down their throat." Every day. In my line of work I work with clients in literally every profession. I've had teachers gripe about being forced to use pronouns. Teachers that are otherwise liberal!

    This is such a huge turnoff for people (right or wrong.)
     
  5. Nook

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    Because for a lot of them it really is a calling.

    I have been very hard and critical of teachers in the past and still am in some ways. I have found some of the tactics by large Teacher's Union to be counter productive.

    Having said that, if someone wants an easy job, they can find one easier than teaching and with pensions being a thing of the past in most cases, there isn't really a financial incentive to doing it.

    One of the last good parts of being a teacher is that they do get a Christmas break and 6 weeks off in the summer, but that has even been cut in many cases.
     
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  6. Space Ghost

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    Teaching is a wonderful career. What I was mostly stating is why would anyone want those work conditions, not so much teaching. But I believe you hit on a valid point; Teachers unions.

    It feels like the school systems have resolved to filling the position with a warm body. Society wants to spend billions a year offering affordable or even free college education but the reality is kids are not leaving the public school systems ready to take on the responsibility of adult hood. Unfortunately lower income kids are forced to churn their way through the public education system while well off kids get the opportunity to be educated properly from an early age. The first 2 decades are the most formidable time for a person and you can't fix that in 4 years of free college.
     
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    This tells me that the right wing campaign to spam "the groomer" narrative is working.

    Unfortunate and I truly feel sorry for people in those communities. Like imagine being that single transgender girl in Utah and entire bill and culture war battle was fought because so many people find you absolutely an abomination to mankind.

    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/0...-patrons-run-in-with-transgender-staffer/amp/

    This story here really is depressing. A transgender employee who was supervising children swimming in the indoor pool escorted a couple of girls to the women's locker room so they can go to the bathroom. The employee stood outside the bathroom door inside the lockeroom to give privacy to the children as they did their business. A random lady patron goes up to the trans employee and starts insulting her and asking if she has a penis etc and tells her she needs to get out of the women's locker room. Keep in mind there were other adults on the women's locker room who were witnesses which is important because eventually the harassing lady is confronted with the manager of the YMCA and the manger had zero tolerance for harassing her employees and kicked her out and permanently banned her.

    And then the entire **** show begins. The lady seeks out right wing media outlets completely fabricating accounts like the employee was watching the children undress when it was clear from other witnesses that the employee was merely standing outside the bathroom door while it was closed waiting for the little girls to come out. Also the initial reports by these right wing outlets didn't even mention that the transgender person was an employee who was specifically tasked to supervise these children. It was painted as some random trans pedo going into the women's locker room to fondle little kids.

    Eventually she got the Tucker bump....


    And oh boy does it get way worse with a constant stream of haarrasment campaigns and death threats. The employees name is public so a lot of direct threats to her. They had to temporarily shut down that Y which also was a place parents used for day care services.

    I understand that there are is a lot of apathy towards the LGBTQ community and the haarrasment they receive. Can you imagine being a trans person today. Any time you go to a public restroom you are basically hoping today isn't the day you become the victim of some *******'s desire to get clout and the Tucker bump. I can't imagine how stressful living like that is. It probably barrs you from so many employment opportunities also.


    The left understands the apathy really well and it really concerns them. It's becoming a common widespread narrative now that ALL trans people are pedophiles. You have prominent cable news hosts saying this ****. It has expanded beyond just some random small congregations of extremists Southern Baptists just saying this type of **** now.
     
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  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Maybe. I can't imagine staying at a job that doesn't pay better or have similar benefits for that long, having to put up with all of the bureaucracy, and hoops, constant training, and things without some type of desire for helping the students. The desire to help them doesn't always make good teachers, but most teachers I've seen have that.

    I will say that some that are close to retirement might just be hanging in there long enough to collect their pensions while any real desire to make a difference has left.

    I can only speak from teachers that I've seen so I'm not sure. I've seen plenty roll through that thought it would be a good lifestyle and job for them that changed their mind after a few years.
     
  9. deb4rockets

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    I agree. A book showing two moms or dads isn't a book talking about sex. There's no Elementary School going to have books showing two people having sex. The book banning wasn't about sex.
     
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  10. deb4rockets

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    No, I know it wasn't Don't say Gay, but it went into a shady line of schools finding ways to fire anyone counseling these kids or discussing their questions about gender or attraction to the same sex. There wasn't a need for the Grooming Pedophile ANTI-LGBTQ Hysteria to start making laws.

    Wake up! MTG brags about being a White Christian Nationalist, along with a few others. She and Matt Gaetz both spoke at hate group rallies, along with other Trumpers. DeSantis, Trump, and others have people bearing Nazi flags, Oath Keeper flags, Proud Boys, Boogaloo Boys, and other hate groups at their rallies.

     
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  11. fchowd0311

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    I was listening to a podcast that discussed how differently society treats "sex" with LGBTQ issue and "sex" with Cis issues. We've been conditioned to believe anything LGBTQ is sexual in nature. For example, a book that has two teens of the opposite sex holding hands isn't sexually gratuitous for children but two teenage boys holding hands is seen as too sexually gratuitous for children to see.
     
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  12. deb4rockets

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    Guess the parents should ban their kids from watching TV too. Regular network shows like American Idol and Survivor have teens and adults discussing being gay, and the bullying they endured from classmates.
     
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  13. justtxyank

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    They stay at the job and just check out. I think tons of people, not just teachers, stay at jobs they don't give a hoot about because it's safe and they can't get something better.
     
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    I feel personally attacked.
     
  15. Xopher

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    Yep. The worst 3 point shooter ever with more than 2500 attempts
     
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    This stuff amazes me. If someone wants to screw children they are not going to totally change their self. They are not going to switch from one sex to another for the purpose of molesting children. They are going to just join a church, or the Boy Scouts, or...
     
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    These people are nuts. It is like the whole "Lightyear" outrage about 2 lesbians. The ignore the fact there is a banner that reads "Happy 40th Anniversary " instead of focusing on the fact a couple stayed together for 40 years they focused on it being 2 women.
     
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    ...or a gymnastics coach, an athletic trainer for teen sports, or anywhere else they can be around kids to take advantage. What people seem to forget is that the majority of kids molested are from members of their own family.
     
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  19. fchowd0311

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    Yup it's always projection. Did you read the reporting from the Houston Chronicle about the Southern Baptist Convention scandal? That **** is horrifying.
     
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    I don't agree he is excellent at controlling narrative, he has not controlled the narrative about him going after Disney or the don't say gay bill.

    All of that stuff plays well in Florida but not on the national stage and on the national stage he will just come off as combative and that does not get him the people who are on the fence which is where the presidency is won.

    What has DeSantis done that Biden has not, economically, to get moderate voters to swing to him?

    I just don't see it with DeSantis he is just not charismatic enough to sway middle ground voters, and he is too combative to have the suburbs come out and vote for him in droves, and that's just going to magnify once he stakes a position on Gays and abortion.

    I guess if the economy collapses then that's another story, but I don't see how DeSantis galvanizes the Republican part and I really don't see how he attracts moderates.

    Biden is the perfect guy to stop that pendulum from swinging drastically.

    The big thing is Trump will never fully endorse DeSantis and even if so that stench of Trump is still strong, so it's a double-edged sword.
     
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