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Kamala is no joke; will vote for her again

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Can't take you seriously.

     
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  2. AroundTheWorld

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    No one take you guys serious. Where was the outrage from the republicans when trump called democrats as fascists? ****ing hypocrites snowflakes of the highest order

     
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    Why do I get the feeling that if Biden said all republicans that voted for trump must be sent to prison or executed or send them to be incinerated in a oven that @DaDakota would be first in line to cheerlead ? Lol ,…save me ! Haha
     
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  6. AroundTheWorld

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    If all you have is "but Trump", you are talking to the wrong person when it comes to me.

    I have been consistent in saying Trump is a bad person who only cares about himself.

    Doesn't mean Biden is sacrosanct.
     
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  7. AroundTheWorld

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    Dude has gone off the deep end. Talks about someone should assassinate Trump, etc.

    It's projection.

    Trying hard to be "one of the good guys".
     
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    Biden agrees with you that that Trump and his supporters are semi-fascist.

    I disagree with him though. I dont think you need the term "semi" in there.

    Biden also isn't about to install a communist authoritarian government because he was blunt and properly labeled Trump and his supporters a correct term.
     
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  9. AroundTheWorld

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    "and his supporters" is too far-reaching - or do you want to call 70 million Americans fascists?

    I actually also don't think Trump is a fascist. He is "just" a malignantly narcissist egomaniac. There is no deeper ideological agenda, other than his ego. Fascists typically have some actual ideological goals.

    I agree that he isn't about to install a communist authoritarian government. Seems like a fairly nice guy to me, too. No evil agenda. Terrible for the economy, and ultimately for people's welfare. Handing out checks while running the economy into the ground doesn't help the "little people". Inflation hits them hardest.

    I see more authoritarian and illibertarian tendencies on the left than on the right, in the US and globally. Covid policies and how easily the Left was more than happy to abolish basic rights and freedoms and discriminate against people who disagreed - that was a shocking and clear example of that.
     
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    Why do you comment so much about our political system with such little knowledge of it?


    Do you know this is a two party system? 70 million people aren't Trump supporters in the US. That's like saying I'm a Biden supporters because I voted for him.


    Anyways in a hypothetical scenario where you and I agreed on a severity of a virus and it's inflection rate to the point where it can severely reduce the human population, would you say that pandemic restrictions and enforcement are authoritarian?

    I think you have issues distinguishing between temporary measures for outstanding circumstances and a pattern of behavior.

    Frankly I'm more worried about the creeping of Christian theocracy/fascism in this nation like you are afraid of the creep of Islamic theocracy in Europe than the fear of bureaucrats. Imposing health and safety restrictions during a global pandemic. I'm sure you understand this as you've spent a decade here typing about a similar fear.
     
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    OK can you be more specific - which ones of the people who voted for him do you consider fascists? How do you define "supporter" for that purpose?
     
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    People who still believe he won an election where he lost by millions of votes (hundreds of thousands of you just include the swing states).

    People who walk around in his paraphernalia.

    People who still attend his rallies

    Those type of people


    Can I ask you something. I have given my general definition of fascism before in my own words. In your own words, what do you think fascism is?
     
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    I will respond. Will take me a bit longer. Have to run to catch a plane now.

    In the meantime, enjoy this cartoon.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Anyways if this meme was hypothetically math accurate, it would inform me that our tax system is regressive and needs reform to alter who shares the brunt of the tax burden rather than higher education shouldn't be free at the point of service and paid by tax payers.

    I don't want construction workers to have high tax burdens and I'm sure most people you label as woke also agree with that.


    Also I see value in a American citizen spending four years in higher education reading really dry nuanced text material and then spending hours analytically writing about what they read. This country has a large problem with literacy patience that leads to a uniformed society addicted to click bait and memes that inform their voting decisions.

    Keep in mind our founders like Jefferson didn't want free higher education because it creates jobs but rather because it creates a informed society and he believed an informed society is a free society.
     
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    Also hard to take seriously:

    Guy who has said before he’s a German but obsessively posts about every waking moment in American politics.

    If you really are in Germany, if you are really this obsessed with our political back and forth, why don’t you contextualize it with what you should be more familiar with in European politics instead of sounding like a 40 year old dude on his couch in Katy??

    Why do you either care more about Texas and US politics way more than any European not in Moscow or lie about where you actually live??
     
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    Technically, I agree with you. However, this line that you are drawing between a "classic fascist" and Trump is razer thin.

    If he utilizes the fascist playbook because he knows that's how he can manipulate people, does his motivation matter? If it walks like a duck...

    In America, if you planned a murder or accidentally killed someone, your prison sentence is decreased, yea, ...but you still killed someone and you still go to jail.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    Trump isn't an ideological type of human like Hitler was. He doesn't have strong beliefs. But having strong beliefs isn't a prerequisite to being a fascist. Does Trump sincerely care if America has strong conservative values with strongly defined gender roles between males and females with a strong Christian identity? Hell no. He couldn't give two ***** about that.

    What makes him a fascist is that he's willing to pander to the group of humans who do strongly believe in that stuff and through a feedback loop between him and his supporters, are willing to accept that he incorporates thoss values at any cost possible even if that means overthrowing election results. That's what makes him fascist.
     
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    "Make America Great Again" is about as strong a belief as one can articulate. Do I believe he believes that is his goal? Nope. Does that matter? Nope. Because his followers believe it and he knows they believe it.

    So again, he is following the fascist playbook. Does it matter if he believes it? His followers do.
     
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    As should be. It was a speech about the American highest value - democracy. A choice point between democracy or not. None of that matters if you don't have a democracy.
     
  20. Phillyrocket

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    Total horseshit. The problem with MAGA isn’t because of abortion or gay marriage etc. It has ZERO to do with policy disagreements.

    It’s their deep conspiracy theory pizzagate, Q-Anon, Biden is a pedo, Pelosi is a devil, “lock her up!!”, Hunter Biden!!!, elections are rigged, liberals are evil socialists/communists, defund the FBI, rhetoric that has led to violence and the 1/6 Insurrection.

    Right wing domestic terrorism is the greatest current threat to our Democracy as reported by the FBI. We only see the headlines of cases that were prevented like the MI governor attempted kidnapping. Can you imagine how much Biden has been briefed on that hasn’t been made public?

    You can’t clutch your pearls with one hand while supporting a man who called the GA SOS to try and overturn election results with the other.

    The conspiracies and lies are the problem. Not policy.
     

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