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I learned about the exploitation of Chinese railroad workers and the Exclusion Acts in middle school and high school in Houston. However it doesn’t get as much coverage as WWII or Reconstruction. I remember being horrified by internment camps in the USA.

 

I as well learned about that in a FBISD school. Although we were taught that the main cause of the Civil War might not just be slavery but also state rights which at the time really struck me. But overall, I didn't think education about racial issues was terribly buried - I mean we read the underground railroad and other perspectives. We read Huck Finn.

I feel like though at that time there was more acceptance then of this country's racial sins then there is today by most people. I feel today most people just want to feel good about America and don't want to hear anything negative about their (white) history.

 

I got largely the same in California, minus any mention that there could have been any issue in the Civil War in addition to slavery.

I think it is the opposite. Today we obsess about the history of racism, specifically racism against African-Americans far more than we did in the 80s and 90s. Back then, we learned about slavery and the Civil War and reconstruction and Jim Crow and segregation and integration and the civil rights movement, but we didn't continue to obsess over the echos of slavery in modern America. We went through the history of what happened, and then what things were done in response, and then we moved on to the next topic. Now race branches out into math and English and is infused into everything, the people in charge don't want to hear anything but negative white history. The Smithsonian went so far as to say that things like the concept of there being a right answer or being on time and getting your work done are racist concepts (which to me is itself racist, because there is no reason to attribute those qualities or values to a particular race).

 

I don't know about the specifics of the Smithsonian argument - how much of that is being misrepresented or not. Are there times when people go overboard? Probably. Should we still take these ideas with an open mind? Yes.

Racism is still very alive today in our systems. I've seen it first hand when I volunteered as a younger man in poor urban areas. Maybe there is an obsession with some things that are silly, but this is a demonstration that the fundamental problem has not be addressed and some may be reaching for new solutions. How do you change a system that is tightly integrated with culture?

 

African American museum accused of ‘racism’ over whiteness chart linking hard work and nuclear family to white culture – The US Sun | The US Sun (the-sun.com) I'll let you decide if it is being misrepresented.

You do it by treating everyone the same under the law. People are going to act however they choose, and should be free to do so. The government's mandate should be that the government treats everyone the same.

 

I think I might be a little older than you but I learned that there were Chinese Railroad workers but very little about how they were treated. I didn’t learn about the Exclusion Acts until College.

Did you go to school in Texas?

 

Sure there are some who do take “anti-racism” too far but at the same time we’re seeing a push to remove the teaching of topics like slavery because it makes some people uncomfortable. We’re seeing arguments put out that we should teach things like the Holocaust from both sides.

 

That's not what that chart is trying to communicate. It's that hard work is ONLY associated with whites, it's that white people often say that black people fail because they are lazy and lack a work ethic. That all you have to do is just work hard to succeed - as if black people don't work hard. That infographic is poorly created but the article is twisting what it is trying to communicate.

One, that isn't happening. Two, racism isn't just in the legal system. Three, the laws are inherently racist in many cases.

I can understand why from your perspective that may sound like nonsense, but until you can see it from what happens from a black person's (especially a black man's perspective), you'd see why there's a lot more discrimination and bias then you are aware of.

 

Obviously, those are terrible ideas.

I don't think that infographic is trying to allege what you say it is, since there is no mention of black people or why they fail or even that they fail, and it is specifically about how values that are normative in "whiteness" and "white" culture are considered defacto correct in the US and we don't do enough to challenge those assumptions. Things like the nuclear family being the ideal family unit, that individuals are assumed to be in control of their environment, that Christianity is the norm, that there should be a focus on objective, rational, linear thinking, etc. It is literally named Aspects and Assumptions of Whiteness and White Culture in the United States.

I agree that it isn't happening and that there are inherently racist laws, though we probably disagree on what they are. I never claimed that racism only exists in the legal system.

 

@moderator poster "pgabriel" is bringing his CRT nonsense into the D&D.

 

Exactly.

 

Slavery was a Canadian problem, doncha know?

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Canada, what an unruly lot.

 

That's exactly what the infographic is saying. They refer to it in the introductory paragraph and do mention black people (as people of color). Yes it's suggesting that many of these things should be challenged, but context is key here. It's essentially saying what we describe as "American Culture" is really "White Culture," and thus has an element of exclusion. In places it directly refers to that ("anything other than Judeo-Christian is foreign"). I don't think it's a useful infographic, but I don't think it's racist either by any stretch of the imagination. It's not calling for the end of white culture or saying it's bad just demonstrating how it can be exclusionary.

Your statement seemed to be prescriptive and only addressed the law, which is just a very tiny piece of the puzzle. The larger issues are cultural and structural. And in many cases it isn't the law or wording of, but how the law came to be and how it is enforced.

 

The point is that those things are considered "White Culture" in the first place. Why would individualism, commitment to the scientific method, or adherence to a schedule have any relationship to "White Culture". That is the part that is racist. It is racist against non-whites to attribute those characteristics to "White Culture".

My statement is prescriptive, the prescription primarily addresses the law, and the law and the wording of the law (and how it is enforced, which is also included in what I said) is what the government is supposed to do. I don't care about how the law came to be. When they wrote the Constitution, they passed the 3rd Amendment because they didn't like the British putting troops in people's homes. I have no concerns about the British, but I am still perfectly happy that the government cannot quarter troops in my home in peacetime. Cultural issues should have no input from the government.

 

Part of it is that for a period of time whites in the U. S. made sure blacks in the U. S. weren't allowed to practice individualism at all.

 

Sure, I know some black people will see it, immediately assume the worst, and feel the trauma. And I'm not going to say they shouldn't. They feel what they feel and I'm sure they have their reasons. I just don't like how kids can sometimes be exposed to other people's trauma, including racial trauma. If you're an adult, try to not put your suffering on the kids.

 

You are really stretching to try to defend something that is very clearly bizarre. Do you think the scientific method is an aspect of whiteness or "White Culture" and we should put less emphasis on it? What about the nuclear family? Valuing hard work? Adherence to a rigid schedule? Delayed gratification? Making decisions? I don't know how someone can look at this and say, "This is clearly a coherent analysis of "White Culture," these are traits specific to that culture, and that because of some sort of white dominance, these traits and values have been "internalized" by "people of color" which is just a PC way of saying not white people. Do you think these are traits and values inherent to white people and only white people and through institutional power we have somehow corrupted other people into also having these values (presumably to their detriment, I don't think the African-American History Museum is saying it sure is a good thing that White Dominant Culture has instilled these values in the people of color who are fortunate to have this "whiteness" ingrained within them)? I would say most of these traits and values appear in many cultures, and attributing them to "White Culture" is pretty racist against everyone else.

 

I didn't comment on nuclear families, though with the bias in the justice system, it may not be universal.

Certainly scientific method isn't part of one culture vs. the other, though equal access to education and equal advancement within education is still biased against people of color.

My comment was on individualism which was certainly not encouraged among non-whites.