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Breaking: FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by larsv8, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. Amiga

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    Go read the summary. It’s only 2 pg long and well worth it.

     
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    Here's the photo!
     
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    Documents clearly identified as top secret were also mixed in with personal stuff! Some of the stuff was found in his desk! They were scattered all over, clearly marked Top Secret, Top Secret/SCi, etc.. Who knows what eyes came across this stuff.

    Oh, for the MAGA supporters crying out to see all the documents, you are dumber than dumb. Do you even know what Top Secret/SCI and Top Secret documents could include? Sure, let's just show the world how we intercept communications from foreign adversaries and give them a heads up of our Intel. Sure, let's make public the info on the documents regarding spies, codes, intel, etc.. Don't be stupid. This is serious National Security info. I have no doubt Trump would sell a secret, and put soldiers or spies at risk if he could get something big out of it for himself. He's that horrible.

    Trump's just trying to delay the proceedings and the right wing GOP and Trump team are in full blown lie, deny, and propaganda spreading mode. For them, it's Trump and party over country. For Trump, it's lie, deny, stall the proceedings, obstruct justice, and demand things done his way. Crybaby's gonna go down! This will be his last grift. Anyone still sending him money is a damn fool.
     
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  4. Reeko

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    Trump got caught in 4k…u hate to see it
     
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    that Trump lawyer Christina Bobb, the one who signed a sworn statement saying they had turned over all documents…yeah, she might need to get a lawyer for herself
     
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    oh it gets way better than that. Page 10 of the governments brief lays out some pretty spicy stuff. They developed evidence that:

    - search of the storage room would not uncover all classified docs at MAL

    - Gov records were likely concealed and removed from the storage room and efforts were likely made to obstruct the governments investigation. This included evidence that boxes that were formerly in the storage room were not returned prior to Trumps counsels review.

    This means that someone ratted out Trump and told DOJ that there were classified docs in trumps office.

    Also, it strongly indicates that Trump pulled boxes from the storage room so that his own lawyers wouldn’t find them during the due diligence review.

    Trump is dealing with a rat or multiple rats. Plus now his own lawyers know that he screwed them by hiding documents and having them submit a false certification.

    I want to know what the security footage at MAL shows. Trump is too fat to move boxes himself, but someone moved boxes out of the storage room.

    And trump will have a difficult time arguing he didn’t know about the docs because there were classified documents in his office and desk drawer.
     
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  9. larsv8

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    Its still hard to fathom how stupid Trump is.
     
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    Literally got caught holding the smoking gun. Can't cry fake news and hope his republican friends get him out of this jam.
     
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    Yo where are the facts about aliens and who really shot JFK like what Q promised us?

    U swore on your grandma's grave to deliver the goods Q!!!!
     
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    Reflect kinda poorly on our countrymen that voted for him to b president for 4 years and allowed him to do basically whatever he want without any real repercussions
     
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    Once again, I'll save the same thing...


    Anyone who still supports Trump is an idiot. I also think that Trump and his team and Fox News are all smart enough to know that perpetuating this lie is akin to treason and inciting a revolution. They know that a subset of the population is not smart enough to see through this.

    Once again, Hillary was right when she said deplorables. And I dislike Hillary almost as much as Trump. Likewise for career politicians. They're all crooks.

    Trump should spend the rest of his life behind bars. Sexual assault, pedophilia, extortion, obstruction, inciting a riot, money laundering, tax evasion, the list goes on and on and on and on...
     
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    Is the FBI playing chess while Trump and his crack staff aren’t even playing Connect Four?
     
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    or meth.
     
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    Unlike the sealed, then redacted search warrant, this public brief is using plain easy-to-read language. Intended for public consumption. Trump's motion gave the DoJ an opportunity to lay it out there to the public. A photo. Near trolling level.

    I hardly know that office and desk.
     
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    Did Biden Just School the Republicans, or His Own Party?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/29/opinion/student-loans-biden-trump.html?smid=url-share

    excerpt:

    Donald Trump has only a vague idea of what’s in all of these documents. The notion that he read through boxes and boxes containing hundreds of documents with classification markings and chose to take these particular items strikes me as … unlikely.

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    What is very much like Trump is that, as soon as the administration sought to recover the boxes, he saw an opportunity to set up a test of strength against Biden — one that would stoke the paranoia of his supporters, rally wavering Republicans to his side and set up the Justice Department to fall on its face barring some spectacular disclosure.

    So my bottom line is that the Justice Department had better come up with something very damning, not just a charge relating to mishandling classified documents.If it doesn’t, it will be the fourth or fifth time in six years that the F.B.I. has meddled in politics only to cause irreparable damage to its own reputation.
    more at the link

     
  18. Amiga

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    People go to jail for simply mishandling of classified doc and definitely for less than what Trump has done here.
     
  19. dobro1229

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    I don’t think the FBI is playing chess. I think they are trying and will find a way out of inducting Trump if Trump is smart enough to allow them.

    I see this as a last ditch effort to get Trump to fully comply, and help them clean up any messes in the intelligence community it created. If he complies I think they’ll shift the goal posts and say that they couldnt prove criminal intent and evidence he disseminated, and ignore the obvious crime of stealing classified docs, obstruction, and lying to the FBI.

    The FBI and DOJ do not want to indict this clown. They just want him to stop breaking the law and forcing their hand to investigate and criminally consider actually charging the guy. Trump is giving them no choice though it seems this time and he wants to either get indicted on obstruction where he thinks he can benefit politically or wants to prove to his enemies that he truly is above the law… which is frightening for someone fully intent on taking back the presidency one way or another.
     
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    What’s in a Classified Document? - The Atlantic

    What’s in a Classified Document?
    What Trump did is more dangerous than you know.

    By Tom Nichols

    The flap over Trump’s document cache at Mar-a-Lago has become a political fight, but it’s important for American voters to understand why classified documents are classified and how the GOP’s rationalizations endanger our security.

    The Details Matter
    Let’s talk about classified documents.

    Most people have never seen one and have no idea what might be in such material. Republicans know this, and they are counting on the public’s lack of familiarity when they try to downplay the intelligence nightmare former President Donald Trump created by carting off boxes of classified documents to Mar-a-Lago. Even worse are the GOP challenges to release these materials to the public so we can all decide for ourselves if the stuff is dangerous, a patently stupid and irresponsible position advanced by people who know better.

    Breakdowns of the various levels of information classification are available online, but they’re not that helpful out of context. The unauthorized disclosure of “Secret” materials, according to the law, could cause “serious damage” to national security, while the release of “Top Secret” information could result in “exceptionally grave damage.” These broad categories of risk include many possibilities, from mere “disruption” of U.S. foreign relations to “disclosure of technical and scientific developments,” to far worse possibilities of “armed hostilities.”

    But how does any of this translate into concrete national-security threats? It all tends to sound like the scene from A Few Good Men when Jack Nicholson, portraying an unhinged Marine colonel, says he was worried that one of his young Marines was in danger. “Grave danger?” asks a Navy lawyer (played by Tom Cruise). “Is there another kind?” Nicholson smugly responds.

    Some documents, such as war plans or technical specifications about weapons systems, have obvious intelligence value. Most classified materials, however, just aren’t all that sexy at first glance. They’re not likely to look anything like the “Non-Official Cover” list of spies from Mission Impossible; they’re not nuclear codes; they’re not pictures of foreign leaders in flagrante. That type of information exists, of course, but such materials typically have a short shelf life. (Codes and plans, for example, change regularly.) This is why spy agencies, including ours, try to develop assets who can deliver a stream of information over time.

    Nonetheless, there are plenty of things you can lug in a box that would be deeply dangerous to U.S. national security.

    Technical and scientific documents, for instance, are almost always highly valuable. Enemy engineers can figure out a lot from technical secrets, including how to close gaps with the United States in weapons development, which in turn can create direct threats to U.S. military forces.

    There are also other, less obvious threats to security than “here’s where our tanks are parked and here’s how accurate our missiles are.” This is why you often hear the phrase sources and methods when discussing classified information: One of the greatest risks is that an adversary will learn how we’ve discovered their secrets. If a classified document provides the Reese’s Pieces that would help a foreign intelligence organization backtrack and reconstruct how we know what we know, we could lose the sources—technological and human—that provided the material, which is a much deeper long-term problem. On occasion, revealing such sources can result in embarrassment or a minor scandal, perhaps involving a diplomat or some other friendly source in a foreign nation. Sometimes the consequences are much worse.

    Small things matter. The location of an air base or missile installation might not be a secret. But if a state gains our photographs of its bases, it will know many things: when we’re observing, what we’re looking at, and so on, and it can counteract our ability to keep watching.

    Even seemingly trivial details can put someone’s life in danger. Presidents and other senior U.S. officials, for example, are routinely given classified briefings on foreign leaders. Some aspects of a foreign leader’s life might be knowable only from sources close to that leader, and perhaps only from his or her own family. “Leader X speaks excellent English but pretends he does not know any English at all” is a good thing to know, but depending on how we know it, that detail might be classified; if Leader X finds out that we know it, he will immediately run through a list of people who are privy to that knowledge, which is how spies and informants end up in prison or even dead.

    Many materials at lower levels of classification, too, can be meaningful to a trained eye. I spent the first part of my career working entirely from open, unclassified sources on the Soviet Union. Like many Sovietologists of my day, I sometimes conferred with analysts from the CIA and the Pentagon, trying to piece together events inside the Kremlin. We were able to learn a lot, despite the Soviet regime’s tight control over a system that tried to guard almost everything about itself.

    Finally, it’s important to understand that, in many cases, what’s classified is not a particular set of facts but what the intelligence community thinks those facts mean. An adversary might not know what a president is thinking on a given subject, but if they can see the President’s Daily Brief or other classified reports, they can know what he’s been told by his nation’s analysts. That’s extremely valuable in itself.

    What Trump did was reckless and stupid. Any assertion that a few boxes of notes and papers isn’t a big deal is nonsense. Protecting such materials is a patriotic duty of anyone in public service, but the Republicans, once a self-styled party of national security, have decided that defending Donald Trump and his narcissistic demands is more important than the safety of the United States.
     
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