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The state of the republican party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. DatRocketFan

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    It's such an extremist stance. Gonna bite the Republicans in the a$$ if more folks voice this type of sht that is being force down folks throat
     
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  2. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    You're right, it wasn't. In fact, let's just eliminate the federal income tax entirely. There is nothing the federal government is supposed to be doing that can't be funded through use fees and tariffs.
     
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    Yep. This picture nicely portrays the hypocrisy of the Republicans
     
  4. CCorn

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    Because the super rich are putting proportionately as much of their income back into the economy as the middle and lower class…
     
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  5. Nook

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    I know that society has been critical of late Millennials and Gen Z. Some of the criticism I feel is justified, especially when it comes to censorship and the sanitized history they want to teach.

    However I will say I do believe as a generation that they are better than the prior generation in some major ways. They do not live to work, they typically do not put their careers over there heir families and friends. Many of them do want to work or go to college to make the world a better place. They also are ambitious just not in the way that the Greatest Generation or even the Boomers were. They don’t have the motivation to drive a Mercedes or join a country club, they want to be good parents, spouses or people.
     
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    Hope you're enjoying high gas prices, inflation, bad healthcare, wars etc... You deserve everything you're getting and the neat thing is it's only going to get worse. Maybe one day you will realize the globalist are trying to take away our sovereignty as a nation. Not that you really care about those things,
     
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    What are they ambitious about/for?

    How can you be a good parent if you dont put atleast some priority on providing for your family. Somebody has to pay for all of the handouts and Billionaire's cant cover the trillions of dollars that are being spent.
     
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  8. Nook

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    #1 It isn’t 15%, it’s well over 20% and no, they were not all going to vote for the Democrats, many of them were not going to vote at all and amongst those that were going to vote, a good 40% of those that have student loans vote for Republicans.

    All student loan holders are adults, but the entire US population isn’t, hence why the 15% number isn’t really accurate.

    I have no idea what the SCOTUS will do, but this is an issue where it really won’t matter much politically for the Democrats in the short term because it’s a win for them regardless of any ruling.

    Do I think that voters care about fairness? Well first I don’t think that as many voters will feel student loan forgiveness isn’t fair as you think. Voters are aware of the subsidies to the ultra wealthy, the tax cuts by Trump that primarily helped the ultra wealthy and they know that the current playing field isn’t fair.

    You can think the discharge isn’t legal or ethical. I don’t concern myself with that, because it is more of a philosophical question and you can make arguments for and against it. My interest is whether this is a smart or foolish political move.

    Also I don’t have a high opinion of the SCOTUS. History shows the SCOTUS Is highly partisan and has been wrong on a number of important ethical issues. The Courts value to me is limited to the fact that they can rule government or private action are unconstitutional. However in this case it really doesn’t benefit their political interest to rule that way.
     
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  9. Nook

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    The overwhelming majority of them do provide for their families. The difference is that they would rather make less money or have less status and spend the additional time they have with their family or friends or doing things. Even you and I come from a generation where making more money was more important than it is now.

    You and I may have the ambition to make an extra $20,000 a year to buy a nicer home for our family or a new car for our wife or possibly send our kid to private school. Their ambition is to spend more time playing with their children or more planned family time and events.

    You and I also come from a generation where there was in general terms more respect if someone accumulated wealth through success at work. We were more in tune with markets and capitalism. We honestly believed with hard work we could make more money or have a successful business and our families get more utility from that. So we have more respect for accumulated wealth than a lot of these Millennials and Gen Z have.
     
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    Isn’t $3/gallon the magic number in Houston to keep our economy booming?


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    Everybody that's paid off a student loan or paid to put their kids through school will vote against this. I just got through talking to 5 people at my kitchen table including 2 liberals and they're against this. If the govt truly cares about education, I could get on board with fully funding and making better pre-K and Head Start programs for the next 12 years which is what a trillion dollars would fund. But Biden doesn't care about education, if he did then he would include college reform of tuition costs instead of just handing out money for votes, which is what this really is.

    Agreed about the SCOTUS and ethical issues. They should just follow the law and let the chips fall where they may. Leave politics out of that branch of the govt.
     
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    The economy was fine with gas at $ 2.00 per gallon. Fact is energy costs are what's driving inflation and it's going to get worse when the winter heating bills come due. Bad thing is prices like in my business have been raised by 20% and when prices for fuel (Both heating and gas) go back down the prices aren't going to go back down because the market for top tier companies like mine has been reset. I know some of you guys look at me like I'm a fool, but I can guarantee you of this. Why? because I've already lived through this before. This isn't anything new.
     
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    Yep, a failure of the education system.

    So how are they going to pay for things like college for their kids?
     
  14. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    It isn't their mandate to decide ethical issues, by and large. They are supposed to determine if the law is being followed. Dred Scott was correctly decided. Korematsu was wrongly decided (by all Roosevelt appointees), but later overturned by the Roberts court. In fact, it would generally appear that the Democratic appointees are less concerned with doing the job of ensuring the law (ie the Constitution) is being followed and more concerned with deciding ethical issues (poorly). I have a very low opinion of the court for most of the 20th century, but they have been much better of late in defending the Constitution.
     
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  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    My anecdotal evidence counters your anecdotal evidence. Our kids didn't have too much student loan debt (less than $25,000). Neither they nor us are upset.
    Same with my niece and sister. Same with some friends and their kids.
     
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    Yes !
     
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    This wedge doesn't work.

    BTW, Biden's BBB funds universal pre-K for all 3 and 4 years old. Republicans are against it.
     
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    Agreed. My wife and I both paid off our student loans and are not upset by the loan forgiveness.
     
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    The impression I get from Millenials and Gen Z is that they see how much debt the previous generations have accumulated, how hard they’ve worked with our really being any happier. Their view is that putting yourself through that when you still might be saddled with debt and stress isn’t the way to live.

    I think that’s what behind things like quiet quitting.
     
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