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Black Player's White Teammates In Little League World Series Putting Cotton In His Hair

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Aug 30, 2022.

  1. Rocket River

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    Honestly I mean both
    Teach the kids Nuance and understanding
    but
    To teach them this is an Overreaction and leave it there . . . .means they may forever see everything as an overreaction
    like alot of republican/conservatives
    "OH MY GOD . . IT'S JUST A HITLER COSTUME!! D*MN!!!:
    "OH MY GOD . . . IT'S JUST A PLANTATION WEDDING WITH WAITERS DRESSED AS SLAVES!!!!"

    Rocket River
     
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  2. jiggyfly

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    Yes, a hundred times yes and thats just it the parents were not offended.

    Yes, folks have a right to be offended and I have a right to be offended when people try and drum up controversy when there is none.

    Why do you keep ignoring the fact that the cotton was not only put on the black kids' head?

    If a black person is triggered by the site of cotton balls that's their own problem and something that's not healthy.

    Nobody is advocating dismissing potentially racist acts but we know nothing about this was racist yet you still want to try and paint it as racist.

    Why do you keep using the word Africans?
     
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  3. DatRocketFan

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    Dude I told u I think it's nothing. But if African Americans get riled up and think it's racist, I just acknowledge that it's a teaching moment.

    No one made u the chief honcho on deciding whats racist or not.
    Some folks truly believe that the Asian squint gesture isn't racist or no big deal. But it's offensive to Asians.

    Kids being kids is not a good excuse to dismiss any potential form of racism. If u can teach your kid to avoid potential misunderstanding do it.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Agreed. This wasn't offensive IMHO. Just knowledge of the topics might educate people on how a misunderstanding could happen.

    I'm not saying anyone should be offended.
     
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  5. jiggyfly

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    I disagree you are just as likely to have the kids ignore real racist situations as overreactions.

    Republicans actually know the difference its not about them not having an understanding or lack of knowledge.

    You are just as likely as having those kids identify with current Republicans as understanding the difference.

    Your Hitler and Plantation examples are not from ignorance it's from outright denial.
     
  6. jiggyfly

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    Are African Americans getting riled up?

    This is a random on Twitter and you think they speak for all AAs.

    The bolded is hilarious because you seem to be trying to be the head honcho of what should be considered as potentially racist.

    I can't believe you are really still trying to equate the squint gesture to this, so do you really think these kids are budding racists?

    Again why do keep ignoring the fact that he was not the only kid with cotton balls in his head, how does that fit into your potential form of racism theory?
     
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  7. DatRocketFan

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    U outright dismissing folks that think something is racist to them even if u dont understand the reason y is way different from me being wary that what was done could b potentially racist and someone should tell them to avoid doing it to prevent any misunderstanding.

    Folks r getting triggered thinking it's racist. Dismissing it as kids being kids when addressing folks outrage is just weird
     
  8. jiggyfly

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    No, I am outright dismissing folks who tried to make this something racist.

    I will take all others on a case-by-case basis.

    The people that are getting triggered by this have bigger issues they need to address and this particular issue was exactly kids being kids.

    Why do you keep ignoring my questions about the others with the cotton balls in their hair?
     
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  9. DatRocketFan

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    Like what more do u want me to say? I already said in post 40. i think it's nothing but but I am not gonna disregard what other folks r feeling about the usage of cotton on an African kid head.

    If folks r upset, I personally think it's a teaching moment to teach the kid (if it was mine) to avoid doing it to prevent misunderstanding.

    Like I said earlier, what u deem to b not offensive or racist to u is different to what other folks feel about it.
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    It’s pretty clear quickly from the video and hearing more of the story that this had nothing to do with “cotton picking” or any other reference to slavery.

    I think kids should learn about slavery including about how the cotton industry in the antebellum South was dependent on it but the children had no intention of referencing that.
     
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  11. rocketsjudoka

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    As other noted the Holodmor, Great Leap Forward or the Killing Fields didn’t happen in the US or were not carried out by the US. Slavery was in the Constitution and we did fight a war over it that literally divided the country. It’s pretty important to US history.

    Many Americans are descended from Holocaust survivors and the Holocaust was the where modern industry was used by a technologically advanced country to exterminate a people. It is a warning of the dangers of empowering racism with industry.

    Also yes I firmly believe that Americans should know more about dark chapters in US history such as that cultural genocide was practiced on Native Americans up until recently. That Chinese Americans were blocked from immigrating here for a hundred year and that Irish Americans were discriminated against by people spouting similar rhetoric as towards immigrants today.

    We shouldn’t be teaching people less history so we can get over things we should be teaching more so we understand how we have gotten to the country and culture that we have.
     
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  12. StupidMoniker

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    For some reason all three of you ignored that I included three things that did involve the US (the mistreatment of Irish and Italian immigrants, World War I, and the building of the railroads which was incredibly exploitative of the Chinese). You could also throw in Japanese internment. I included foreign events that affected American immigrant populations as a comparison to the Holocaust, but I guess you all didn't pick up on that. We have Cambodian-Americans that were as gravely affected by the killing fields as Jewish-Americans were by the Holocaust, but it doesn't get the same treatment. That's why there are people being outraged constantly about perceived anti-semitism, but no one is outraged by perceived allusions to the killing fields, even when we have people railing against Capitalists and the elites. Somehow, we were able to move past the horrors of Communism (probably by not constantly dredging it up, and not overemphasizing it in schools). The way to stop having people be racist is to treat everyone the same, like race doesn't matter. All of the anti-racism bullshit is counterproductive (and I believe intentionally so).
     
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    Yes. All of those things should be taught. It should also be put in context the prolonged oppression and discrimination of African-Americans, in particular.

    And race does matter. It matters the amazing contributions despite the prejudice the triumph, developed culture, etc. It definitely matters. It's been ignored long enough and we see how that's worked out.
     
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    Why should it be put in context the prolonged oppression and discrimination of African-Americans, in particular? Why not put it in the context of the discrimination of Asian-Americans, or better yet, don't focus on any particular racial or ethnic group and just treat everyone as individuals.
    How does race matter? Is a black doctor more worthy of praise than a Jewish doctor or an Indian doctor? Should a Mexican musician be more or less celebrated than an Irish musician. What about the failures, should a criminal that was the descendant of a slave receive a lighter punishment than a criminal that was the descendant of a plantation owner? What about a criminal that immigrated from Sweden three weeks ago? What hardships count in your triumph calculus? I think we should just focus on what individuals do, as though we are all just people. I must have missed that period in America when no one was talking about race and everyone was just treated as people. Do you have a timeframe for reference?
     
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  15. JayGoogle

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    You ask why we still teach slavery and civil rights and the bolded explains why.

    Because while 'color blindness' sounds good on paper it is NOT the reality for black americans, whether you like it or not. Black people still have to face obstacles based on their race and so your fantasy of 'race' not mattering in America is a fantasy that isn't yet realized yet and it won't become a reality until you address the real issues regarding race that has plagued this country since its inception.
     
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    It's not 'no one' was talking about race but people in power weren't, at least in an inclusive manner for most of the nation's history.

    It's the difference between equality and equity.

    With equalit every one gets a pair of size 6 shoes. With equity everyone gets the size of shoe they need.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    I did address the treatment of Irish immigrants and yes fully agree people should know Anout the exploitation of Chinese railroad workers along with The exclusion Acts. Things I didn’t learn about when I went to school here.
     
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    Racism is part of our history ignoring these things because they make people uncomfortable isn’t going to make people less racist.
     
  19. Nook

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    No one ignored anything.

    World War I, the internment of the Japanese and other issues like Communism are all covered in school.

    Also comparing the Killing Fields to slavery is really not remotely similar. Slavery was in the USA, it was the cause of a Civil War, it was written into the very documents that we use to govern this nation and there are Americans alive today that lived under Jim Crow.

    As for the Holocaust and WWII it is a major even because Boomers are the children of those that fought in the War. The Holocaust is also not as prominent an issue as it was.

    As for the treatment of Italians and the Irish, it is discussed as well but it wasn’t on par with slavery.
     
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    It is going to do the opposite, it will make people more justified being racist.
     

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