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The state of the republican party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. Nook

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    Yes, and how many of those people have spouses or parents? Not to mention it doesn't really matter if it is 15% because those 15% are HIGHLY motivated by the fact that they will have between $10,000 and $20,000 in debt erased.

    Further, it isn't really accurate to use 15%, because that is of ALL Americans, and not those that are adults. That gets the percentage to 21% of all adult Americans.

    Further, the Biden administration expects to clear over 20 million student loans completely with the forgiveness.

    It isn't a fair program? That isn't what this is about. It is irrelevant if it is fair or not.

    This is a divided country, that is exactly why this is a winner for the Democrats. They are not going to lose very many democrat or independent voters on this issue, and they are going to gain new voters and some Republicans and independent because they can personally be impacted by the decision to erase $10,000 to $20,000 of debt and get rid of half of all student loans.



    Why would any financial institution consider student loan forgiveness? When it comes to assigning mortgage rates, car rates and other calculations they look at the amount of debt in relation to income. Decreasing the amount of student loan debt is considered in that for sure.
     
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    Wait is this Weeko guy the old poster who left because of the mitt Romney bet?
     
  3. Nook

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    Most democratic voters are not saying much about the topic and a lot of moderate democratic politicians try to avoid it until they are cornered. However, just like there is Bobbert there are democratic candidates that push the issue and we do have people like the Governor of Michigan saying "pregnant people" that doesn't sit well with a lot of people. @ROXRAN

    Yes, because it benefits Republicans in 2022 to do so.... it may not help them in 2024.

    Yes, abortion is a huge selling point for Republicans when they were fighting to over turn Wade, something a lot of people never thought would happen. With it over turned it is a huge selling point for Democrats.
     
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    Why wouldn't Republicans squawking about gender issues not help in 2024? The majority of the seats being up for grabs r in blue/purple state?
     
  5. Xerobull

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    Of course, yes. GM got busted for dealing drugs and Chrystaler, his stripper friend, bailed him out.

    Please continue.
     
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  6. Rileydog

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    Nook, this is child abuse
     
  7. Nook

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    There must be a generational divide here.

    While it is historically true people have gone to college to make more money, in 2022 that is less true than in the past. Quality of life and the ability to do a profession that they enjoy is a big reason why.

    Further, when I went to college and then graduated from under grad, grad school and law school..... the amount of taxes I would pay was not even a consideration. In fact it was a number of years before it was something that I really was concerned with. I know very few people in their 20's and 30's that really give much thought to their tax rate.

    Even when I have been a top 5% earner in the USA, I wasn't really paying that much more in taxes.
     
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  8. DatRocketFan

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    It's nice of u to dissect his argument and post well thoughts out answer. U r wasting your time, he's gonna pick a part that stands out in your post and just pivot the discussion towards that. Waste of time to b honest with the quality of your answers.
     
  9. Reeko

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    someone saying pregnant people as a Dem party extreme is inconsequential when the Republican extreme is a federal ban on abortion including many wanting no exception for rape or incest with bans of that nature already put in place



    Tennessee’s full abortion ban goes into effect today, prohibiting abortions from the moment of fertilization with no exception for rape, incest or medical emergencies.

    Doctors found to have performed an abortion will now be subject to criminal prosecution, with penalties of up to 15 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Pregnant women will not face criminal charges.

    It benefits them to do so, or do they just not have much in the way of substance when u take away culture wars? Anything to actually benefit people, they vote no on…Insulin price cap? No. Veteran burn pits? No. Student loan relief? No. And so on and so forth

    What will they vote yes on? Cutting Social Security and Medicare

    they are coming for gay marriage next…hell, some want to go after contraceptives

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    All but eight House Republicans voted against a bill to codify the right to contraception federally amid concerns that the Supreme Court could overturn a decades-old ruling prohibiting states from banning contraceptives.

    The House voted 228 to 195 to pass the Right to Contraception Act, which would make it a federal right for Americans to obtain and use birth control pills, condoms, IUDs and other contraceptives. The legislation would also codify health care providers' rights to provide contraceptives and allow the Justice Department to take those that infringe the right to court.

    one extreme is looking to take away rights, the other has some saying “pregnant people” and discussing issues regarding gender and gender identity
     
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  11. DatRocketFan

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    Regardless If I believe in some conservative values, no way in hell am I voting for a party that believes forcing a rape victim to give birth from a rapist assault is a form of healing. Backward a$$ party.

    What's next forcing g2y folks to have sexual intercourse with the opposite sex as a form of therapy?
     
  12. CCorn

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    In my early-mid 20s I was too poor to care about tax rate. Now in my early 30s I’m making significantly more and don’t give 2 ***** that my wife and I are in a higher bracket. We are living a much better life than we were 5 years ago.

    San Leon to Kemah baby!!!
     
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    Just to add and I apologize to @wekko368 ainc I didn’t see the whole post that @Nook is responding too many of the students that I’ve been around as both a collegiate Judo coach and a guest Architcture lecturer do look at college as a chance to contribute to society. My own experience is that most aren’t just in it for making money.

    I will acknowledge that there could be a biased based off of that architecture isn’t as profitable as some majors but that view of wanting to contribute to society also seems to apply to students in the sciences and many engineering students also.
     
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    Oh look a bigger republican hypocrite btching about how unfair it is for students to get a measly 10-20k debt relief as he goes for 2 mil.

    Man has a net worth of over 100 mil.
     
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    That's child abuse. A "man" making a decision to force a child raped by a "man" to go through pregnancy and labor. The GOP is predominantly white men by the way. They don't give a damn about these rape victims. Less than 1% of rapes lead to felony convictions.

    How does a 14 year old support and care for a baby? Who's paying for their healthcare? The majority of the GOP could care less about a mother and child. It's only the embryo they fight for. We need more women in high positions of government. We need people to vote Democrat if they care about human beings more than assault rifles and tax breaks for the rich.
     
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    But those 15% were already going to vote democrat anyways.

    Why wouldn't all student debt holders be adults? Aren't they all at least 18 years old?

    I guess we'll see if it's blessed by the Supreme Court.

    You don't think voters care about fairness?

    Given its constitutional uncertainty, why would any financial institution consider student loan forgiveness?
     
  18. CCorn

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    Loser mentality asking for handouts. Bum
     
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    It wasn’t fair to give billionaires tax breaks and tax me 1/4th of my commission. Especially after trump took away all my deductibles.

    Anyways I didn’t cry. I just made more money.
     
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  20. Reeko

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    forcing a victim of rape or incest to have their child no exceptions is insane…doctors not able to undergo an abortion procedure for a woman who’s child has been deemed nonviable is insane

    going after contraception

    they might as well come out and say that they just want women to be baby makers
     
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