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The state of the republican party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. Nook

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    Personally I am not operating on the assumption that the Court will find it valid. The Republicans have a super majority in the SCOTUS and they are very likely to vote for whatever benefits their political positions, as that as what the Court has done for the vast majority of its history.

    The best scenario isn't that the doesn't hear the issue. That is an outcome that is "fine". However the very best is if the Court rules it unconstitutional. That will upset a lot of people, including a lot of people that are not terribly political. It will also fire up a lot of people under 45 years old.

    I don't care whether or not Pelosi or Biden believe he has the authority to forgive a portion of student loan debt. It means absolutely nothing in this scenario because he has in fact actually done it, and any real response from the SCOTUS only benefits Biden and the Democrats on this particular issue and at this particular time.

    Also, from a purely political standpoint, waiting to forgive student loan debt is smart as well as it will be fresher on voters mind.

    You seem to conflate whether a policy is or isn't constitutional with politics.... they are not the same thing. The SCOTUS isn't special, it has in the past declared black people are property, that it was okay to put Americans in concentration camps, that the mentally disabled are morons and can undergo forced sterilization...... so what a bunch of opportunists on the SCOTUS choose to do means little to me - it is as much now, as ever, a political branch of the government.
     
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  2. Reeko

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    lol at thinking student loan forgiveness is supported by just a vocal minority…so out of touch
     
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  3. Nook

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    In fairness, the Democrats do this as well once they feel empowered..... look at the pronoun issue and comments like "pregnant people". Those types of distinctions are outliers, yet democrats will go to extremes to support something that honestly most people do not care about. Most Americans want all people, regardless of group to be protected, but they do not want to redefine what sex or gender means in 2022.

    The Republican extremists are blind to the fact that they are doing the same thing on abortion rights and student loan forgiveness. Those are long term losers, but they don't believe that is the case.

    Right now the Republicans are really isolating women with the wedge topics of loan forgiveness and abortion.
     
  4. DatRocketFan

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    I have finally acknowledge that it is pointless to debate with a dumba$$.

    Someone who believes that student debt relief is only supported by the vocal minority without any evidence whatsoever is just pulling sht out their a$$ at this point.

    Logic is astounding biden was voted in by the majority. He passes something he promised while campaigning which was to provide student loan relief yet it is only supported by a vocal minority?

    Students come from all political affiliations. No student is gonna reject student loan relief.

    What a dumb@$$
     
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  5. JuanValdez

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    Someone tell me why we care whether or not Trump conceded? That's got to be top-10 dumbest prolonged arguments in the bbs, and I don't want to find the beginning of it to know why anyone cares anyway.

    43 million people benefit, all of them voting age.
     
  6. wekko368

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    Less than 15% of the population has student loan debt. That means at least 85% of the population doesn't have student loan debt.

    The reality is, student loan forgiveness isn't a fair program. Most people have debt....why should student loan be the only debt forgiven?

    We are not a united country, and student loan forgiveness won't appeal to large swaths of people....the older generation, people who already paid off their loans, people who couldn't afford to go to college, people just outside the income limitations, etc...

    Why would any financial institution consider student loan forgiveness at this point? Do you really think the government will act that quickly? Plus, industries need to see if it will hold up in the courts.
     
  7. wekko368

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    There were many things on President Biden's agenda. Do you think voters needed to agree with everything on his agenda in order to vote for him? Especially when the alternative was Trump?

    If your conviction is so strong, why not have a tip-jar wager?
     
  8. Reeko

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    I hardly see any Democrats saying stuff like pregnant people…1 person on the left will say something, and then Republicans will play it up like it’s the most pressing Democratic issue in order to try and incite culture wars

    Republicans are the ones playing up gender issues more than Democrats…they can’t argue actual policy

    abortion is 1 of the Republicans main selling points…let them have their way, and there will be a federal ban as many have outright said it…student loan forgiveness can affect lives for the better…Democrats supporting trans people or someone saying pregnant person seems trivial in comparison
     
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    How many of those 43 million were already going to vote Democrat?

    And how many voting age people didn't benefit?
     
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    Oh Alex Jones..........you and Bannon take the cake for the biggest nut jobs outside the inner family of trump.......the sad part is the majority of the trump base will believe this. I hope the next Sandy Hook trial finds him guilty and bankrupts his fat a$$

    Alex Jones Says Left Will Stage 'Mass Shootings' Ahead of Midterms

    more at the link


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...newsntp&cvid=630e58590058429daf5dfc4ebeb6b95c
     
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    He's got to raise money to pay for his lawsuits.
     
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  12. DatRocketFan

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    Newsflash.
    People in debt are related to folks without debt.

    Let's say its tru that 15% of the population has student debt.

    R folks in this population not related to the other portion of the other 85%? Dumb@$$ logic that folks without debt wouldn't support their family members/ friends getting out of debt.

    Btching that it's unfair why only students should get loan relief. The hypocrisy is astounding from typical republican dumba$$. The banking industry got bailed out, farmers got bailed out, business got bailed out, but oh noooo it's unfair that students get bailed out.

    I dont even consider it a bail out cause 10-20k is nothing and isn't enough for students who went to Grad school.

    One could criticize that bidens student loan relief isn't doing enough, which is valid since it doesn't help all of the current students out of debt and prevent future occurrence. But btching about how unfair it is just stupid.
     
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  13. adoo

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    you need to stop publicizing your ignorance.

    one of the byproduct of the ill-conceived trade war had led to loan/mortgage foregiveness for some farmers.
    prior to this year, some teachers/doctors/lawyers, as well as employees for non-profit public service orgs, had their students forgiven provided that they meet certain criteria

    too,
    • there was cancellation of the taxes due on forgiven mortgages in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis.
    • the aftermath of natural disasters have led to loan/mortgage foregiveness.
      • the Northridge earthquake in Calif
      • the Katrina hurricane, as well as hurricane Sandy
     
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    Why are you ignoring everything he did before releasing this statement?

    Do you think that absolves him of everything else he did?

    Or are you just playing a game of semantics?
     
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    Everyone involved is playing a game of semantics. How is that not obvious?
     
  16. wekko368

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    Can you clarify the point you're trying to make?
     
  17. adoo

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    can you read?
     
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    Not well enough to find the point of your post.

    Can you clarify?
     
  19. DatRocketFan

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    Folks who can't read or pretend they don't understand what they r reading are Trolls or illiterate.

    Pretty obvious the point u trying to make.
     
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  20. adoo

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    learn to read
     

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