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Breaking: FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago

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  1. Rashmon

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    The truth shall set you free...

    Trump May Have Broken These 8 Federal Laws
    • Trump's legal troubles are piling up after the DOJ searched Mar-a-Lago.
    • The DOJ is investigating if Trump violated three federal laws.
    • The January 6 commitee is also examining if Trump broke five federal laws.
    The Justice Department is investigating whether former President Donald Trump violated three federal laws related to his handling of classified documents.

    This comes against the backdrop of the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection and Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results. The committee has used its public hearings this summer to try to build a case that Trump violated at least five federal laws.

    Here is a breakdown of the eight federal laws that Trump potentially violated as the Justice Department and the January 6 committee continues investigating the former president.

    Violation of the Espionage Act
    The Justice Department is investigating if Trump violated the Espionage Act by gathering, transmitting, or losing national defense information. The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that the FBI took 11 sets of classified documents after searching former Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence.

    One of the documents Trump possessed included records labeled with "Variousclassified/TS/SCI," which refers to sensitive government information, according to a copy of the warrant.

    Concealment, removal, or mutilation of records
    The Justice Department is investigating whether Trump violated two criminal statutes by attempting to conceal or remove records, according to a copy of the warrant. Federal authorities were also searching for evidence that Trump violated another federal law to obstruct justice by engaging in or attempting to damage, alter, or falsifiy records.

    New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman had previously reported that Trump allegedly ripped up and flushed sensitive documents in the toilet. Earlier this week, Haberman shared photos with Insider that showcase paper notes in two toilet bowls.

    'Wire Fraud'
    The House select committee revealed in one of its hearings on June 13 that Trump's campaign raised more than $250 million from his supporters. In the fundraiser emails, his team suggested that Trump would use the money to create a fund to legally challenge the 2020 presidential election results.

    The committee revealed that a fund of this kind was never created and was instead funneled to a new political action committee called "Save America."

    Under current laws, wire fraud is committed if an individual intends to defraud or obtain money through false pretenses.

    Obstructing an official proceeding
    The January 6 committee has said that it has evidence to prove that Trump and his 2020 campaign team violated federal law by attempting to obstruct or impede an official proceeding.

    Prosecutors could potentially point to him pressuring former Vice President Mike Pence to stop Congress's election certification process. Prosecutors could also use evidence on Trump's alleged scheme to send a fake slate of electors to reverse the outcome of the 2020 presidential elections.

    Witness tampering
    The January 6 committee has asserted that Trump and his associates have tried contacting some witnesses who have testified before the panel.

    During a January 6 hearing on July 12, the committee provided new evidence that Trump tried to call a January 6 witnessan action that could have constituted witness tampering. Republican Rep. Liz Cheney, who is vice chair of the committee, said she referred the matter to the Justice Department.

    In another hearing on June 28, Cheney presented two messages one of the witnesses received from an associate of Trump. Cheney did not disclose the witness's identity but read a description of the witness's call with the Trump associate.

    Cheney said the witness told the committee that "What they said to me is, as long as I continue to be a team player, they know that I'm on the team, I'm doing the right thing, I'm protecting who I need to protect, you know, I'll continue to stay in good graces in Trump World."

    Conspiracy to defraud the government
    In a March 2 court filing, the January 6 committee said that it has evidence that Trump and his campaign team violated another federal law by engaging in "a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States."

    Prosecutors would have to prove that Trump knew he lost the 2020 election and continued to pursue efforts to overturn the election results.

    During the public hearings, the January 6 panel played testimonies of former White House officials who repeatedly told Trump that there was no evidence of voter fraud and that he lost the election fairly.

    Inciting a rebellion
    Prosecutors could potentially build a case that the former president incited a rebellion on January 6 based on some of the committee's evidence.

    A former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson testified before the January 6 committee that Trump allegedly knew his supporters were armed. Earlier on January 6, she recalled Trump saying: "I don't effing care that they have weapons. They're not here to hurt me. Take the effing mags away. Let my people in."

    Prosecutors would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump knew in advance that violence would occur on January 6.
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    "The truth shall set you...

    F**K!!!"

    Nobody wants the truth, right?
     
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  3. jo mama

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    trump doesnt deserve empathy. he has never shown empathy to anyone else in his entire life. he continued to attack mccain after he died. and when rep dingle of michigan died trump said he was looking up at us, implying he was in hell. salvy probably thought it was funny when he did that. he probably loved it when trump said mccain was not a war hero b/c he was captured. he probably loved it when trump insulted a gold star mother.
     
  4. jo mama

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    he turned him into a man by calling his wife a dog, accusing his dad of being involved in the JFK assassination and repeatedly calling him "lying ted"?

    lol...he didnt make ted a man...he made ted his b****.

    [​IMG]
     
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  5. jo mama

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    i didnt wish trump dead. i just stated the fact that it would be the best thing for the country if he died peacefully in his sleep. that way the justice department wont the forced to do the right thing and hold him criminally accountable and we can avoid all you trump cultists destroying our country.
     
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  6. Salvy

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    Changed man.... Ever since Ted Cruz has been on his game, absolute savage...



     
  7. jo mama

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    the only thing savage about ted cruz is his willingness to throw his 13 year old daughter under the bus after he got criticized for taking a trip to cancun during the winter freeze.
     
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  8. rocketsjudoka

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    I don’t think the term “absolutely savage” applies to a man who is shilling for someone who insulted his wife and accused his father of being involved in the JFK assasination.
     
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    This is really the point all this stuff about “people wishing Trump dead” is a sideshow to distract from the mountain of evidence of Trump’s wrongdoing.
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    more like "absolutely beta"
     
  11. CCorn

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    Defending Ted Cruz is a new low for our conservative posters
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    This is a great post that mentions some of the evidence for all of these charges.

    I wish more people would inform themselves or allow themselves to take in information about these crimes.

    For those can't beyond the "if it upsets liberals, I support it or at least am okay with it" mentality, ask yourselves why that is more important than the large amount of evidence of crimes committed.

    Some of the folks who are uninformed decided before the Jan. 6th hearings even started, that it was going to be political theater and nothing new. They were wrong. There was little to no grandstanding and a vast amount of new evidence and details.

    It helped clarify that Jan. 6th wasn't just a coincidence where a bunch of thugs showed up and got overly excited.

    It was the final part of a number of plots and attempts to overthrow the vote of the American people. It came closer to working than anyone might have guessed. This is especially true of the people who couldn't be bothered to watch the hearings.
     
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    DeSantis is Trump's protege, he's as clean as the sewer they pulled him from.
     
  14. deb4rockets

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    So true. His lips and nose are stained in brown from kissing Trump's butt for those long painful four years he was President.
     
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    The extreme right wont let facts get into the conversation because they know he`s wrong but cant/wont admit it, they hitched there ride to this grifter and they have to play this out............afterall its just a witch hunt, don't let all these cases dissuade you that the government has nothing better to do then go after this nut job who steals classified documents and then changes the reason why every other day. trump cant help himself , we all know that but the rest of you should use your head and look at the facts, he`s going down one way or another, its just a matter of time
     
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  16. Rashmon

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    Georgia doing God's work...

    Of all the legal threats Trump is facing, is this the one that could take him down?

    Donald Trump’s lawyers are earning their keep.

    The former president’s attorneys have raced to put out one fire after another in recent months as they defend Trump from investigations into the squirrelling away of secret documents at Mar-a-Lago, his part in the storming of the Capitol during his last days in office, and twin probes into his business dealings in New York.

    But the greatest legal danger to Trump may come from the quiet workings of a grand jury in Georgia hearing evidence of his illegal attempts to overturn the state’s 2020 presidential election result and prevent Joe Biden from taking power.

    “It’s a greater legal threat to the president and some of his followers than any of the other investigations which are going on right now,” said Ronald Carlson, a leading Georgia trial lawyer and professor at the University of Georgia’s law school. “Some of the potential charges carry very serious penalties.”

    Carlson said that even if Trump were prosecuted for removing classified papers from the White House, other officials who have mishandled secret material received only misdemeanor convictions and probation, such as the former CIA director David Petraeus.

    He said the New York investigations into allegations of financial fraud are focussed more on Trump’s businesses than on the former president. It remains unclear what, if any, criminal charges might come out of the congressional investigation into the 6 January 2021 assault on the Capitol.

    But Carlson said the strong evidence of Trump’s wide-ranging effort to overturn his narrow loss to Biden in Georgia by pressuring state officials to commit fraud puts the former president squarely at the heart of an investigation into alleged crimes that carry more serious penalties than those he might face in the other probes.

    An analysis by the Brookings Institution, a Washington thinktank, concluded that Trump is “at substantial risk of possible state charges predicated on multiple crimes” after what it described as his “sustained assault” on the Georgia electoral process.

    Among other charges, prosecutors appear to be considering indictments under anti-conspiracy laws written to combat organised crime which potentially carry lengthy prison sentences.

    In Atlanta, the Fulton county district attorney, Fani Willis, has assembled a “special purpose grand jury” to spend up to a year focused on Trump’s multi-faceted attempt to fix Georgia’s election result.

    Willis appears to be building a substantial body of testimony from some of Trump’s closest allies who witnessed the defeated president’s actions and in some cases intervened themselves, including his lawyer and advisor, Rudolph Giuliani, the former New York mayor. Two days before he testified last month, Giuliani was informed he is also a target of the criminal investigation.

    The grand jury is also seeking testimony from Senator Lindsey Graham, an ardent convert to Trump who contacted Georgia officials looking to alter the vote, and the former White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows.

    Lawyers said that given that any charges against Trump would further inflame America’s already raw politics, Willis will want to make sure she has an airtight case to head off accusations of a political prosecution. But that also means that any decision to prosecute could come at about the time the next presidential campaign is getting off the ground, with Trump hinting that he will run again.

    Evidence presented to the grand jury is secret but any case against Trump is likely to be built around a tape recording of his call to Georgia’s Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, to demand he “find” enough votes to overturn Biden’s victory in the state.

    When Raffensperger rebuffed the demand, Trump made vague threats of charging him with a crime for failing to investigate allegations that Democrats had rigged the vote.

    “You know what they did and you’re not reporting it. You know, that’s a criminal offence. And you know, you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you,” he told Raffensperger.

    The then president spoke to other senior Georgia Republicans, including the governor, Brian Kemp, and attorney general, Chris Carr, to urge them to contest the state’s vote count. They too resisted the pressure.

    Raffensperger and Carr have already testified to the grand jury. Kemp is resisting a subpoena.

    Trump also tried to get federal officials at the justice department to intervene. His lawyers filed a series of lawsuits making extraordinary claims of foreign interference and other conspiracy theories. All of them were dismissed.

    When all of that failed, Giuliani and others pushed a false claim that the law allowed the Georgia legislature to replace its members of the electoral college with a slate that would vote for the defeated president. Legislators refused to play along and the Trump campaign instead sent 16 “fake electors” using false election certificates – another failed attempt to overturn the election replicated in six other states lost by Trump.

    Willis has told some of those involved in the fake electors plot that they are the target of criminal investigation by the grand jury, including the Georgia Republican party chair, David Shafer, and a state senator, Brandon Beach.

    Carlson said the combination of Trump’s actions potentially amount to a substantial body of evidence of wide wrongdoing.

    “The focus for this grand jury is solicitation of election fraud. Presumably most of the evidence that they’re receiving will focus on that. Then there will be making false statements to state or other governmental bodies. The creation of a slate of electors, which took the position that Trump had won the election, will come under that sort of umbrella. Then we’ll probably have the grand jury looking at criminal conspiracy and violation of oath of office,” he said.

    A combination of all or some of these charges could also open the way for Trump to be prosecuted for a pattern of criminal acts under Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (Rico) statute. Although Rico is more commonly associated with prosecution of organised crime, Willis used it seven years ago to convict 11 Atlanta teachers of fixing test scores for their students.

    The district attorney has brought in a Rico specialist for the Trump investigation.
    The special grand jury can sit until next May, giving it plenty of time to gather evidence. But unlike regular grand juries, which meet for only two months and issue indictments, it can only submit a report recommending prosecution. Willis must then decide whether to follow that recommendation and appoint a regular grand jury to seek an indictment against Trump or anyone else.

    Carlson predicted that if the special grand jury recommends prosecution, the district attorney will go ahead.

    “She’s a very vigorous and bold advocate. I believe that she will follow through,” he said.

    The Brookings Institution said that if Trump is charged with a crime, he is likely to claim that he cannot be held criminally liable for his actions as president. But it said that defence is likely to fail, because immunity from liability only extends to actions taken by the president that were within the scope of his lawful duties.

    [might be worth a separate thread]
     
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  17. jo mama

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    the georgia case should be pretty cut-and-dry. he is on tape pressuring the secretary of state to "find" 11,000 votes then literally threatens him by saying that its a criminal offense if he doesnt do anything.

    what exactly do they have to investigate here? its all on tape!

    also, lady gra-gra says that there will be riots in the streets if trump is charged. she is actually helping me make my earlier point that the best thing for the country would be if trump died peacefully in his sleep. that might be the only way to avoid his supporters burning our country down.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-lindsey-graham-said-trump-033304258.html
    "And I'll say this, if there is a prosecution of Donald Trump for mishandling classified information after the Clinton debacle… there will be riots in the streets."
     
  18. SuraGotMadHops

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    Yawn....
     
  19. Rashmon

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    Let those cockroaches loose. It's about time we thin the herd of anti-American whackos who ironically think they are patriots.
     
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    Ted Cruz is ridiculous.

    Nope.
     
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