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The state of the republican party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. wekko368

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    I guess I'll have to connect the dots for you since you seem incapable of connecting them yourself.

    I pointed out that PPP loans were approved by congress, and I assumed you'd understand that I was also pointing out that student debt cancellation wasn't approved by congress.

    IMO, the Supreme Court will rule that student debt cancellation is unconstitutional (based on it's logic for the EPA ruling), and that would mean that President Biden acted beyond his authority.

    When a president acts beyond his authority, that's a dictatorial action.

    If you don't care about dictatorial actions as long as they align with your goals, then you're saying you're ok with dictators.
     
  2. wekko368

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    Based on the EPA ruling, you really don't think the Supreme Court will declare student loan cancellation to be unconstitutional?
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    I've told you that an agency isn't allowed to issue executive orders, but the President is.

    It is a different situation.

    But since the Supreme Court isn't sane these days, I have no idea what they would rule.

    Also, there has not been an exutive order that would cost over a trillion doallars. If there was, congress could pass legislation disallowing it.

    Even if the Supreme Court got rid of the loan reduction, it wouldn't mean Biden was a dictator.
     
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    A president cancelling some student debt is a dictatorial action? This is what you're arguing? First of all, I don't even think a real dictator would care enough about the people to even consider an action like this. Second, from my understanding, it's not like he made something out of thin air, he does have some basis from the HEROES law.

    The more republicans complain about this coupled with the Roe reversal, people are becoming more aware that the Republicans really don't care about them. If somehow they lose in November, this could be the end for them.
     
  5. DatRocketFan

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    Biden isn't a dictator. The sooner u admit that, the sooner u realize that me agreeing with how Biden handled the student loan relief doesn't equate to me supporting dictators.

    If u sincerely think Biden is a dictator, we can just end it there. There's no point in trying to talk to stupid.
     
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  6. wekko368

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    You're splitting hairs here. We're talking about Executive branch overreach.

    Given the logic behind the EPA ruling, I'm guessing they'd rule against student loan cancellation.

    You're missing the point. President Biden claims the HEROES act allows him to cancel $10k in student loan debt. However, the HEROES act doesn't specify a dollar amount restriction or income restrictions. Therefore, if you believe that the HEROES act allows for $10k student loan debt cancellation, then you must also believe that it allows for full student loan debt cancellation.

    Agreed. It's a good thing no one ever made that argument.[/QUOTE]
     
  7. wekko368

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    I never said President Biden is a dictator, and I don't believe he is.

    However, I do believe that executive orders that exceed the President's authority are dictatorial, but a single occurrence of this doesn't turn a President into a dictator.
     
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    Executive orders are allowed. Therefore, I don't believe it is an overreach.
     
  9. wekko368

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    I'm arguing that Executive branch overreach is a dictatorial action (i.e. Executive Orders that exceed the President's authority).

    Sure, he has basis from the HEROES law. But the EPA also had basis for its actions, and the Supreme Court struck them down for reasons that can easily be applied to student loan cancellation.

    I'm pro-choice, but I agree with the Roe reversal from a constitutional perspective. It was judicial activism. Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg disagreed with the logic behind Roe v Wade.

    President Obama should've codified when he had a supermajority.
     
  10. DatRocketFan

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    K me supporting Biden moves for student loan isnt the same as me supporting a dictator since biden isn't a dictator.

    Like case close, there's not much else to go from there.

    U can continue on how u feel about Biden overreach and what not that an entirely different situation.

    All i know is folks that support biden moves ain't dictators supporters even though u felt he overreach.

    Glad we came to a simple conclusion. If u feel the need to address this again, just remind yourself that biden isn't a dictator.
     
  11. wekko368

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    So you believe all executive orders are constitutional until the Supreme Court declares them unconstitutional?

    I believe that if the Supreme Court rules an executive order to be unconstitutional, then it was unconstitutional as soon as the ink dried.
     
  12. wekko368

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    I never said he was a dictator.

    Also, given the Supreme Court's ruling against the EPA, can you explain why you think student loan cancellation is constitutional?
     
  13. leroy

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    A dictatorship would typically be run by a dictator and then you literally called President Biden a dictator...like in the same sentence. Sooooooo.....

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  14. wekko368

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    Sooooo.....that's some poor reading comprehension.

    I made a general statement about dictators/dictatorships, and you erroneously thought I was referring specifically to President Biden.
     
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    Who else would you have been writing about? It's really not that difficult to put those things together.
     
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    Why does a general statement about dictators/dictatorships need to be about anyone specific?

    If you're putting those two together, then that's poor reading comprehension.
     
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    I don't believe all executive orders are constitutional. I believe this one is. I believe that even given the Supreme Court 's EPA ruling.
     
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    These are the people you support, Republicans.

     
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    I like how she does "oh no, you didn't" head move while talking about lesbian dance degree.

    Dry diaper sticks out too.

    Just a whole lot of racism and fetishism to keep those voters engaged!
     
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