Based on their reasoning from the EPA case, they could rule anything whether it makes sense or not. So no point in guessing. I will say the president is not an agency and an agency doesn't have the power to issue executive orders. But it was ridiculous to limit EPA to only protect the environment from past issues.
Only for matters of "major national significance". Wouldn't you agree that $1.6 trillion in federal student loan debt qualifies as "major national significance"?
1.6 trillion is not the cost. There are numerous studies. The one I saw was about 329 billion over a period of 10 years. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/consequences-taxpayers-much-president-biden-165000406.html
There is currently $1.6 trillion in federal student loan debt. The same logic that President Biden used to cancel $10k in student loan debt can be applied to the $1.6 trillion. What's to stop President Biden from making another debt cancellation promise if he tries to run again? Or the next Democratic nominee? So $1.6 trillion is at stake. Wouldn't you agree that $1.6 trillion qualifies as "major national significance"?
But he isn't canceling for all student debt. He's only canceling for certain earning under a certain amount. Even for them there is a limit to the amount of debt forgiven. So it definitely isn't all of the debt.
President Biden has imposed income limits, but there was no requirement for him to do so. He could've cancelled $10k with no income limits. And based on what is there a limit to the amount of debt forgiven? The logic he used to cancel $10k in student debt can be applied to all $1.6 trillion. So $1.6 trillion is potentially at stake.
Again you are wrong. Typical Trumper. Repeat a false statement over and over in lieu of critical thinking.. You are too [redacted] to continue this discussion.
Laughable that you're criticizing my critical thinking. But please, go on thinking that you can acknowledge a transition of power without acknowledging losing the election.
That's silly rationale. If he passes one to forgive all debt on every single person that had a government loan, then 1.6 trillion that would be at risk. So far there had been no executive order for that to happen. We know that congress has approve declaration of war, but the president is still allowed to order 'police actions or missile strikes'.
It's not silly at all. You have to consider the big picture. Citing the authority granted to him by the HEROES Act, President Biden is cancelling $10k per person. What's stopping him from citing that same authority to cancel $20k? $50k? $100k? Nothing, right? That's why $1.6 trillion is at risk. The President is the Commander-in-Chief of all armed forces. Are you really asking if I'm ok with the Commander-in-Chief of all armed forces ordering police actions or missile strikes?
Bc u r pivoting to a topic I don't really care about. I don't trust a person that has such skill on mental gymnastics to honor any agreement much less something that involves money. U literally accused me of potentially being a dictator supporter for agreeing with bidens move to provide student loan relief. I am stating y your stance is a bunch of bs. Biden isn't a dictator and he did nothing wrong with providing student debt relief. All I know is Biden aint a dictator and his move to providing student debt relief ain't a dictatorial move. He's gonna give up his power when his term ends. In conclusion u are just btching like all Republicans do when things aren't going your way. What u r doing right now isn't any different from what ted Cruz and the other hypocritical Republicans politicians are doing, btching about how unfair and bad it is. Faux worry about 1.6 trillion student debt but no noise when tax cut for the rich was passed or when ppp loans were forgiven.
If you condone dictatorial actions, then you support dictators. Why is that an incorrect statement? If you don't trust me to honor a tip jar wager, why don't we first agree to terms, and then we can both send the money to Clutch or another admin? If student loan cancellation is declared unconstitutional, I get a refund. If it's declared constitutional, you get a refund? Fair, right? On a side note, you really should read the Supreme Court's decision regarding the EPA. You'll see how the same principles could be used to declare student loan debt cancellation to be unconstitutional.
So violating the Constitution is ok, as long as it's just a little bit? Is that the stance you're taking?
U are literally making sht up as we go along. Your entire stance is based on bidens action to forgive student was a dictorial act and basically biden is acting like dictator. Any folks that supports it is supporting a dictator. That's it. U are now pivoting and making sht up as we go along. I don't know even know how to explain how idiotic this stance is. Liberals who support biden move aren't dictator supporters. Biden can't b a dictator bc like u said they don't give up power. We are going back and forth all I know is u like to accuse folks of being dictator supporters. Too much mental gymnastics and faux outrage about the national debt for me. In conclusion. Biden is not a dictator, and folks who like his agenda and agree with his moves aren't dictator supporters. If u really think biden is a dictator there's really no hope for u.
I haven't made anything up. I said that I believe President Biden's cancellation of student debt to be unconstitutional. You said you had no problem with it since it helped so many people. I then said that presidents acting beyond their authority are dictatorial actions. And if you support said actions, you support dictators. I've also stated that a single dictatorial action does not make a president a dictator. Your rebuttal is that student loan debt cancellation is constitutional. However, you refuse to commemorate this with a tip jar wager. I've consistently referred you to the Supreme Court's EPA ruling since I believe the principles in that ruling apply to student loan debt cancellation. Would you agree this is an accurate summary of our conversation?
The Supreme Court cannot just see an executive order passed and declare it unconstitutional. They are limited in their jurisdiction. Someone (with standing) would need to file a lawsuit in a Federal district court, then it would be appealed one of the circuit courts of appeal (whichever circuit the district court is in) and then whichever party lost at that level could appeal to the Supreme Court.
No. Stop making unaccurate summary. My inital comment was its hypocritical for Republicans to btch about ppp loans abuse it to get loan forgiveness and then btch about student loan forgiveness. U wondered that ppp loans were an act of congress. Which I explained that yea it was but it was abused by Republicans politicians. U hit me with you're okay with a dictatorship as long as your goals aligned with the dictator's aka biden. Full stop, that's it. There was never any single dictorial actions bs or unconstutional accusation. That came after when u were showcasing your mental gymnastics ability. U just straightout accuse me of being a dictator supporter simply bc i support bidens move to provide student loan relief. We can go back and forth. The matter of the fact is Biden isn't a dictator and I do not support dictators no matter how hard u push and paint simply bc I agree with the student loan relief move. Like I said the moment u accuse me of being a dictator supporter simply for agreeing with biden move = u are wrong. Biden simply can't b a dictator bc with your logic those who give up power can't b a dictator. We can wait a few more years just to confirm what we already know.
This was a great thing for Biden to do, it started with Reagan when one of his advisors was telling him that free education was bad because an educated public is hard to control. That is when the college prices started to rise and civics classes were cancelled. They want people to be ignorant of how everything works - and they want people as indentured servants to corporations. At least the THEY is the GOP. This is a good first step by Biden to getting people back in control of their own lives. We missed a big chance in 2008, when we bailed out Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, we could have given the PEOPLE the money to pay off their loans rather than the banks, and the PEOPLE would have to use that money to ONLY pay the banks, that way the people got out of debt, and the banks became cash rich.....and able to loan to others - as the real estate market reset. But alas, our politicians paid off huge bonuses to Wall Street that ****ed us in that era - and Trump did the same with his 1.5Trillion PERMANENT tax break for the rich while middle and lower classes had a temp tax break which lasted 2 years and then rose back and beyond where it was beore. People just don't pay enough attention - letting television ads and social media define their views....and they vote in ignorance.... If people actually paid attention the GOP would never win another election ever. DD
No, I don't believe it is violating the Constitution. You believing the Supreme Court should act based on something that hasn't happened, doesn't make sense to me.
